Castro is dead. What next for Cuba?

[eyeball]

What about claims from Batista's time?

Any indigenous people left in Cuba? 

[Argus]

9 hours ago, Bryan said:

Cubans can and do speak their minds. The suggestion that they don't is every bit as ridiculous as claiming that Canadians don't say what they really feel about  our leaders. 

But Canadians can't be jailed and tortured for saying bad things about our leaders.

[Bryan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

But Canadians can't be jailed and tortured for saying bad things about our leaders.

That's not how it works over there either. The people getting jailed are committing treason by taking money from a foreign power to try to destabilize the country. The people just protesting do so all the time. There are several organized protest groups. They're small, but they march all the time and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved away from whatever they're trying to block, and are immediately released.

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Bryan said:

Nothing you're talking about even remotely applies to Cuba. People are free to do and say pretty much what they want.

You appear to be very naive. Cuba is a communist country. One can say all they want too but don't dare criticize Raul Castro or the government if one does not want the political police to come knocking on their door. The people who dared to criticize communist Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot were quickly sent off to the gulag or worse. Reality time. 

[Altai]

I have read his life and looks like another "dictator" died. 

[Bryan]

48 minutes ago, taxme said:

You appear to be very naive. Cuba is a communist country. One can say all they want too but don't dare criticize Raul Castro or the government if one does not want the political police to come knocking on their door. The people who dared to criticize communist Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot were quickly sent off to the gulag or worse. Reality time. 

You appear to be speaking from a position of ignorance. People can and do criticize the government. I've seen them. I'm well aware of what does and does not happen to them.

I have been to Cuba many times. I've been all over the main island and on several of the cayos. I have made many friends in Cuba over the years. I have eaten in their homes. Some of them have eaten in my family's home in Canada. We have Canadian friends who have also moved to Cuba (who routinely travel back and forth as well). I know them, and I know their lives. I know what they can and can't do.

Cuba is not what we would recognize as a western captialist democracy, for sure. But it's not the Soviet Union either. It's its own thing.

[-TSS-]

17 hours ago, Argus said:

Putin has killed a hell of a lot more people than Castro.

Neither of them comes even remotely close to George W Bush and Tony Blair.

[Icebound]

22 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Proof?

http://www.businessinsider.com/7-stories-of-putins-thuggish-behaviour-2013-6

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/jan/04/does-vladimir-putin-kill-journalists/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assassinating-2016-3

https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

 

Putin has the resources to be a lot more subtle about it than most..

 

Castro has not been a danger to any foreign nation for 25 years.   Those who want to continue living in 1963 might  think that he is.  He was a convenient pawn of the USSR to tweak America's nose, and when the USSR fell apart, so did any real danger of Castro's aggression.

Putin... and a lot of other current dictators.... have the resources and inclination to be  clear and present dangers NOW.

 

 

[Argus]

An interesting article in the Globe today from that old NDP Socialist warhorse Gerald Caplan. He said that Castro betrayed the revolution, and betrayed Socialism.

Fidel Castro stands in a long line of great socialist leaders who betrayed socialism. The list pretty well includes all of them, from Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, to Mao Zedong and Chou En-lai, to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, to Mengistu in Ethiopia. In the name of the beloved masses, these revolutionaries became the greatest mass murderers in history, responsible for genocide, famine, incalculable suffering, widespread torture and the deaths of tens of millions of workers for the crime of somehow displeasing their great leader.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/fidel-castro-was-no-friend-of-socialism/article33073767/

[-1=e^ipi]

7 hours ago, Icebound said:

http://www.businessinsider.com/7-stories-of-putins-thuggish-behaviour-2013-6

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/jan/04/does-vladimir-putin-kill-journalists/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assassinating-2016-3

https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

 

Putin has the resources to be a lot more subtle about it than most..

 

I wanted proof for the claim that Putin has killed more people than Castro. I'm not denying that he has killed people. But it doesn't come close to the number killed by Castro.

[taxme]

16 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Neither of them comes even remotely close to George W Bush and Tony Blair.

I will take Putin any day over the rest of the butchers mentioned above. Putin comes nowhere close to what those mentioned above did to their own people or other people of other countries. The globalist elite despise Putin, and that is why he is treated so badly by the corporate fake stream media as a bad boy. 

 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

I wanted proof for the claim that Putin has killed more people than Castro. I'm not denying that he has killed people. But it doesn't come close to the number killed by Castro.

Why on Earth does a dictator's body-count matter?  This picayune quibbling between communist dictators seems rather weird.

And what about the fact Putin and Castro are/were billionaires - I mean, how redeeming a quality is that?

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Bryan said:

You appear to be speaking from a position of ignorance. People can and do criticize the government. I've seen them. I'm well aware of what does and does not happen to them.

I have been to Cuba many times. I've been all over the main island and on several of the cayos. I have made many friends in Cuba over the years. I have eaten in their homes. Some of them have eaten in my family's home in Canada. We have Canadian friends who have also moved to Cuba (who routinely travel back and forth as well). I know them, and I know their lives. I know what they can and can't do.

Cuba is not what we would recognize as a western captialist democracy, for sure. But it's not the Soviet Union either. It's its own thing.

But can the Cuban people get out on a soap box in the middle of public square and denounce and say bad things out loud about the Castro's or the government? I think not. Too criticize your government at home among friends or neighbors might work but I will never believe that any Cuban can do what I said out in the open. The Cuban government is communist and no communist country will allow anyone to criticize the government. Freedom of speech does have limits on it in Cuba. That I can be certain of. 

 

[-1=e^ipi]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why on Earth does a dictator's body-count matter?

Because someone made a claim that I believe is false, so I wanted them to prove their claim.

And what about the fact Putin and Castro are/were billionaires - I mean, how redeeming a quality is that?

Bill Gates is also a billionaire. Does that mean Bill Gates is as bad as Castro?

[OftenWrong]

Castro is dead. Long live Castro.

[taxme]

23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Castro is dead. Long live Castro.

What a blessing that he has been removed from earth. Hopefully he is now having to deal with some of his own people that he murdered. Go get him people. 

[taxme]

On 11/28/2016 at 6:27 PM, Argus said:

But Canadians can't be jailed and tortured for saying bad things about our leaders.

I am pretty sure that some of our fake and phony politicians would love to be able to do the same thing to some Canadians that they don't like as Castro was able to do to some of his people that he didn't like. But because Castro was able too I guess that is why he is so admired by some of our Canadian political so-called leaders, especially JT.   

[msj]

31 minutes ago, taxme said:

What a blessing that he has been removed from earth. Hopefully he is now having to deal with some of his own people that he murdered. Go get him people. 

Who knows, maybe there will be 72 Breitbart virgins waiting for him in their parents basements? 

Edited November 30, 2016 by msj

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Because someone made a claim that I believe is false, so I wanted them to prove their claim.

To determine the relative value of a couple of murderers...okay, useful info I'm sure.

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Bill Gates is also a billionaire. Does that mean Bill Gates is as bad as Castro?

The point is, or should be, that Bill Gates is not a dictator.

[-1=e^ipi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

To determine the relative value of a couple of murderers...okay, useful info I'm sure.

Obama killed people with drones strikes. I guess Obama is in the same category as Castro as well then.

[Bryan]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

But can the Cuban people get out on a soap box in the middle of public square and denounce and say bad things out loud about the Castro's or the government? 

They can and they do.

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, taxme said:

What a blessing that he has been removed from earth. Hopefully he is now having to deal with some of his own people that he murdered. Go get him people. 

Do you fail to perceive the irony in what I wrote?

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Obama killed people with drones strikes. I guess Obama is in the same category as Castro as well then.

As far as someone who extra-judiciously projects deadly force beyond their borders then yes they're clearly the same.

Point being Obama is not a dictator.

Edited November 30, 2016 by eyeball

[OftenWrong]

Thank you, CBC and CTV news for your daily, non-stop coverage of Cuba over the past weeks, telling us where his ashes are every day, and sending their newsmen to Havana for daily updates. Just watched another 10 minute report. Well I shut the sound off. Like what the hell, are we full of commies now?

[OftenWrong]

Oh my god, 5 minutes later: "Coming up, reaction to Fidel Castro's pasing on both sides of the spectrum". 

There is no head-bashing emoticon here, or an angry one. I guess too late.