President of United States - Donald Trump

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

And to bring it back to the Doomsday Clock for a moment...

It has not been this been this close to being 2 Minutes To Midnight since 1953 with the detonation of Ivy Mike...the first Hydrogen Bomb. The Cuban Missile Crisis is not measured by the Doomsday Clock...oddly enough...but it would be a safe bet to call it One Minute To Midnight.

Hillary made Russia uneasy.

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2016

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

And to bring it back to the Doomsday Clock for a moment...

It has not been this been this close to being 2 Minutes To Midnight since 1953 ....

President Obama knows all about hope and change....changed that clock for sure. It's almost midnight !

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

America will always go in an American direction....whether it is perceived as positive or not by non-Americans is insignificant. The U.S. does not have a "please love us" gene like the nation north of the border.

Do you figure the Navy will get a full compliment of carriers at sea?

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Obama knows all about hope and change....changed that clock for sure. It's almost midnight !

The Hillary-ites don't seem to realize this: her loose talk about blaming the Russians for every little thing wrong with her campaign was endangering world peace. Tu-95s got their FIRST blood in Syria...

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2016

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Do you figure the Navy will get a full compliment of carriers at sea?

Not if Trump pivots away from the western Pacific and NATO. He may want to put real pressure on deadbeat allies.

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Not if Trump pivots away from the western Pacific and NATO. He may want to put real pressure on deadbeat allies.

And don't we darn well deserve it!

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2016

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

And don't we darn well deserve it!

Japan's Abe met with Trump today, just to see what he really will do compared to campaign rhetoric.

I wonder if Japan will make their own nukes or lease them from the U.S. !!!

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Japan's Abe met with Trump today, just to see what he really will do compared to campaign rhetoric.

I wonder if Japan will make their own nukes or lease them from the U.S. !!!

I think we both respect Japan for one reason alone: it went toe to toe with the USA with the gloves off and landed a few really good punches before going down with honor. When a hand was offered to help it back to its feet, it was gratefully received. Buds ever since.

DogOnPorch · November 17, 2016

As for the nukes and Japan....what choice do they have? Obama didn't prove effective at keeping them out of North Korea's hands.

Lease is my bet.

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

5 hours ago, BC_chick said:

I admire your optimism. Given his choice in cabinet and Higbie's reference to Japanese internment as the precedent for Muslim registry, I remain highly dubious.

First, aside from chief of staff, he hasn't yet picked his cabinet........second, the Muslim "registry" is media spin.....all foreign nationals, from countries outside the Visa Waiver Program, have to be "register" when they apply for an ESTA.

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

6 hours ago, BC_chick said:

Maybe, I'm going by what I saw in the victory speech. I've watched many, that's one of my favourite parts of election nights.

Even stiff-as-a-board Steven Harper used to light up giving his victory speeches. Trudeau looked like he'd popped some ecstasy pills (maybe he had?). The Obamas were all smiles, and the list goes on.

Never have I seen that kind of low-energy, borderline fear, in a winning party.

It didn't get called for him until nearly midnight on the West Coast.......late night, and I don't doubt he was somewhat surprised.

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Do you figure the Navy will get a full compliment of carriers at sea?

Yes, and I have it on good authority that the dust is being blown off the proposed reactivation plans, for "exploratory reasons", of two (possibly four) other "major fleet units"....

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Not if Trump pivots away from the western Pacific and NATO. He may want to put real pressure on deadbeat allies.

Though not a 600 ship fleet, he's proposed expansion from current levels (~300-310) up to a 350 ship fleet and a large expansion (IIRC by nearly 20%) of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children....likewise speeding up fleet renewal of the ageing USAF. Haven't heard much for the Army though......other then his national security team isn't opposed to leaving South Korea, Japan and several "Middle Eastern countries" if they don't pony up PDQ

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Japan's Abe met with Trump today, just to see what he really will do compared to campaign rhetoric.

I wonder if Japan will make their own nukes or lease them from the U.S. !!!

Trump could be the best thing for the Japanese......which have been increasing their military capabilities for the last decade+.....tough love.

I bet he pulls out of South Korea though.......depends on trade talks with the PRC

bush_cheney2004 · November 18, 2016

14 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Though not a 600 ship fleet, he's proposed expansion from current levels (~300-310) up to a 350 ship fleet and a large expansion (IIRC by nearly 20%) of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children....likewise speeding up fleet renewal of the ageing USAF. Haven't heard much for the Army though......other then his national security team isn't opposed to leaving South Korea, Japan and several "Middle Eastern countries" if they don't pony up PDQ

That would only reverse part of the sequestration cuts and consolidations. I served in President Reagan's navy...the money flowed like a hard rain. Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company would bus in workers from hundreds of miles away. Trump won't be able to do that.

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump won't be able to do that.

Match Reagan in terms of size? I agree, but then there isn't a real need with new capabilities afforded with technology, but I have no doubt the Pacific Pivot of Conventional Forces will be linked directly with future trade negotiations with the Chinese.

Moonlight Graham · November 18, 2016

On 2016-11-14 at 0:31 PM, Argus said:

So now it looks like Trump doesn't want to live in the White House, which would be a huge step down from his palace atop 5th Avenue. The Secret Service won't be pleased. Wonder when the first lawsuit gets launched by the people who paid millions to live in Trump Tower and now have to be frisked every time they want to go into the building.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/world/homesick+trump+live+white+house+which+secret+service+says+would/12386315/story.html

How do you secure a skyscraper with the POTUS in the top of it that's in the heart of downtown NYC blocks from Times Square?? Trump is committing suicide with this idea. You'd have to block off all the blocks around it, create a no-fly zone etc.

Also, who the heck wouldn't want to live in the White House??? At least for a couple of years?! I mean, it's so cool! How spoiled do you have to be that you have a nicer office somewhere else! :lol:

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

17 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How do you secure a skyscraper with the POTUS in the top of it that's in the heart of downtown NYC blocks from Times Square?? Trump is committing suicide with this idea. You'd have to block off all the blocks around it, create a no-fly zone etc.

You realize there currently is a family in it right?

17 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Also, who the heck wouldn't want to live in the White House??? At least for a couple of years?! I mean, it's so cool! How spoiled do you have to be that you have a nicer office somewhere else!

Security alone, I doubt Trump will have much of a choice......with that said, the original owner of Mar-a-Lago willed the estate to the US government to act as a Presidential retreat, which decades ago sold it off, and in turn was bought by Donald Trump.......

Edited November 18, 2016 by Derek 2.0

Moonlight Graham · November 18, 2016

1 hour ago, Derek 2.0 said:

You realize there currently is a family in it right?

The White House? Or Trump Tower? Either way, yes they're currently occupied. Not sure the point here...

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

41 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The White House? Or Trump Tower? Either way, yes they're currently occupied. Not sure the point here...

Your reaction to Trump still living in Trump Tower.........per the article:

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He has told his team that he would like to spend his time in New York whenever he can, according to The New York Times.

I don't know how thats any different then the current or past Presidents.......LBJ and W spent a considerable amount of time at their homes in Texas....Clinton Martha's Vineyard..Bush Snr in Maine....Reagan is California....and Obama at his estate in Hawaii........if Trump wants to spend as much time as possible at his homes in New York or Florida......I don't see an issue, if there is, Trump is SOL

?Impact · November 18, 2016

If Trump decides to stay in New York, then he should pay all the regular municipal taxes on Trump tower that were forgiven in lieu of making its lobby a public space. I can understand his son wanting to finish off the year at school, although that is generally a bigger problem for someone a few years older. The biggest issue however appears that he is unwilling to sever ties with his business interests, we have already seen that in wanting his adult children to be both involved in the business as well as in the presidency.

i'm assuming there is a helicopter pad on top of Trump tower, as he has his own helicopter. If he had to drive there, then that would be a major upset to Manhattan traffic. I expect the security issues in the city centre are much more difficult than those at a ranch like Bush or Reagan used to spend considerable time at.

Derek 2.0 · November 18, 2016

5 hours ago, ?Impact said:

i'm assuming there is a helicopter pad on top of Trump tower, as he has his own helicopter.

Nope........outside the NYPD and hospitals, all rooftop helipads have been banned in New York post 9/11, even prior to that several accidents on rooftops pushed them out of favor..........there is one along the river Midtown, which would be the closest to Trump Tower

5 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I expect the security issues in the city centre are much more difficult than those at a ranch like Bush or Reagan used to spend considerable time at.

Though there would be different challenges, Trump Towers is in a city with a police force larger then most nations armies, a drastically increased security element post 9/11, numerous Federal agencies and Midtown Manhattan is a few minutes helicopter ride to several airports large enough for Air Force 1.

Wilber · November 18, 2016

12 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Your reaction to Trump still living in Trump Tower.........per the article:

I don't know how thats any different then the current or past Presidents.......LBJ and W spent a considerable amount of time at their homes in Texas....Clinton Martha's Vineyard..Bush Snr in Maine....Reagan is California....and Obama at his estate in Hawaii........if Trump wants to spend as much time as possible at his homes in New York or Florida......I don't see an issue, if there is, Trump is SOL

None of those is in the center of the biggest city in the US. 5th Avenue is a mess and businesses around Trump Tower are really suffering. He has plenty of other properties he could use that wouldn't cause this kind of disruption. Maybe he is just sticking it to New Yorkers for not voting for him. Maybe he just doesn't give a damn how much he inconveniences people.

DogOnPorch · November 18, 2016

Democratic disruption.

Argus · November 18, 2016

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists...and, unfortunately, it remains at 3 minutes despite initial claims this morning that Putin and Trump's good relationship moved it back. Concern that Trump will trash the so-called Iran nuclear deal keeps the hand in place.

I think the concern is that Trump is a petulant, ignorant, whiny child-man with a bad temper tantrum who is capable of almost anything. "Why do we have nuclear weapons and not use them? I love war!"

I saw an interview on BNN this morning with a Nobel winning economist who's written a book on Trump. He said that Trump absolutely didn't understand the first thing about economics or business finance when they talked. He also said Trump is far less knowledgeable about the world than Ronald Reagan was, and that has always surrounded himself with yes men, and when he asks for a favor and doesn't get it, he takes that as a personal attack and seeks vengeance, that he brags about how many people he's ruined. Nice guy.