poochy Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Canadianjim said: Birthers have all kinds of conspiracy theories. Interesting that while they have sold out to Russia, they still keep the nut job conspiracies going. That's what you came up with? Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, poochy said: That's what you came up with? Yawn. Me ? nope.. facts are stubborn..yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 5:10 PM, Canadianjim said: Me ? nope.. facts are stubborn..yawn You dont really know what you're talking about do you? Must be tough. Anyway, your PM has admitted to being lobbied at party fundraisers, something he previously said didnt happen, so he's a liar, not that you would care about such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 hours ago, poochy said: You dont really know what you're talking about do you? Must be tough. Anyway, your PM has admitted to being lobbied at party fundraisers, something he previously said didnt happen, so he's a liar, not that you would care about such things. YOU say "My PM " in what context is that? From a Canadian or an American? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 The tangled, confused, interlocking relationships of the Chinese people just approved to open a bank in Canada... Including the one who gave Trudeau's charity a million bucks and is building a statue of his dad. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/money-and-lawsuits-the-early-backers-of-a-canadian-bank/article33359955/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Ha. Funny. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons-for-december-2016/article32954011/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Argus said: The tangled, confused, interlocking relationships of the Chinese people just approved to open a bank in Canada... Including the one who gave Trudeau's charity a million bucks and is building a statue of his dad. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/money-and-lawsuits-the-early-backers-of-a-canadian-bank/article33359955/ Oh that's not a bribe its fundraising. Pish posh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Canadianjim said: YOU say "My PM " in what context is that? From a Canadian or an American? .. as he avoids the question with a nice deflection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianjim Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, drummindiver said: .. as he avoids the question with a nice deflection... Context is everything. If a Canadian asks me if Trudeau is my Pm it begs the question did I vote for Him.? If an American asks it means the leader of my country because I am Canadian. He is the PM of all Canadians. There are many Americas who claim Trump is not their President and they don't don't mean he is not the America president. They despise him.Why do I need to even even explain the obvious.? . Surely nuance is a word you are familiar with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 11 hours ago, drummindiver said: .. as he avoids the question with a nice deflection... It's all these people are capable of, anyway, today the government house leader said that parliament is no place to be discussing liberal fundraisers. You have to wonder if they, like those that so desperately support them, are really that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 On 12/2/2016 at 0:39 PM, Argus said: That's crap. And by the way, I keep hearing that refrain about how the Conservatives did it too. Somehow, despite the fact he was highly unpopular among the national press corps, we didn't hear much about it back then. I wonder why that was? Could it be that if they did it they rarely did it, as opposed to the enthusiastic whoring for money the Liberals are engaged in? The history of the conservative vs liberal party in terms of campaign funding before the Chretien curbs was that the Tories got their funds through large numbers of small donations, but the Liberals got theirs through a small number of very large donations. Naturally the Conservatives prospered when the rich and corporations were no longer able to buy political parties, and naturally they wanted to hammer the Liberals even more. But this wholesale access for cash scheme is something the Ontario Liberals - the most corrupt political organization in Canada - brought to Ottawa when Trudeau drafted in so many advisers from Toronto. Just imagine if this was Harper. The media would be on this like dog on a bone. He would probably have to resign, but in Trudeau's case, It is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 On 2016-12-20 at 11:36 AM, PIK said: Just imagine if this was Harper. The media would be on this like dog on a bone. He would probably have to resign, but in Trudeau's case, It is ok. Harper had his party bagmen and women in the Senate doing it for him. Duffy... Wallin.... etc, etc. Same thing, except not as honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: Harper had his party bagmen and women in the Senate doing it for him. Duffy... Wallin.... etc, etc. Same thing, except not as honest. Not the same thing at all, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: Harper had his party bagmen and women in the Senate doing it for him. Duffy... Wallin.... etc, etc. Same thing, except not as honest. O of course, expect it's completely not the same thing. Anywho, here's the latest, in addition to not being lobbied at fundraisers to then actually, yes, being lobbied at fundraisers, it seems liberals were also maybe soliciting donations above the limit. But hey, aren't they nice those liberals? Look at how much they care about all the things, and look at all those good people who will vote for them again no matter what they do or how unethical or illegal it might have been, just like last time they were in power. But of course this has nothing to do with our pert little PM, it just couldn't have. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/cash-for-access-organizers-sought-payments-that-exceeded-federal-contribution-limits/article33409043/?click=sf_globe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, Argus said: Not the same thing at all, of course. Of course, Harper's bagmen ended up in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Omni said: Of course, Harper's bagmen ended up in court. And as in Ontario, the synergy with the police unions will keep most of the corrupt Liberals out of court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Omni said: Of course, Harper's bagmen ended up in court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 I thought this relevant, since it basically describes the claims that politicians' favour can't be bought for a mere $1500, or a statue of his father as nonsense. Our Prime Minister claims that only cynics would think his ministers could be bought for the price of a $1,500 ticket to intimate Liberal Party fundraising dinners. I suspect that Justin Trudeau isn’t just saying this. He really believes it. After all, in today’s world $1,500 is little more than loose change to our political elite or to members of the corporate elite with whom they regularly schmooze. Research on the power of gifts to bias the judgment of decision makers tells an interesting story. Strikingly, what the evidence demonstrates is that even small gifts can be highly effective. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/even-small-gifts-can-buy-political-influence/article33459966/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Argus said: Research on the power of gifts to bias the judgment of decision makers tells an interesting story. Strikingly, what the evidence demonstrates is that even small gifts can be highly effective. Fund raising for a cause (political party, hospital wing, etc.) is very different than a personal gift (lunch, round of golf, vacation, material possession, etc.). They both have value, but they are far from equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 1 hour ago, ?Impact said: Fund raising for a cause (political party, hospital wing, etc.) is very different than a personal gift (lunch, round of golf, vacation, material possession, etc.). They both have value, but they are far from equivalent. I'd call donating $50,000 to build a statue of your dad pretty personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: I'd call donating $50,000 to build a statue of your dad pretty personal. Is it a big deal in the grand scheme of things? It's shady, but it's one of those tree falling in a forest scenarios... if the only people upset by it are Tories, does it make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Doesn't this picture look familiar, only the players have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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