Argus Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 In many ways the NHL uses the Canadian teams to subsidize its American teams. If we pulled out of the NHL we could expand the Canadian team base and still afford better quality hockey. We also wouldn't have to see the 'national' championship always go south of the border, to the American teams which can afford better players because of an unfair system. You see, most of the American teams get their TV money through local cable deals. They get to keep 100% of that money. The Canadian teams, on the other hand, get most of their money from national TV deals which are shared with the entire league. Of the $5.2-billion that Rogers paid for a dozen years of Canadian NHL broadcast rights, about $4-billion will end up in the pockets of U.S. team owners. (The owners, as part of their collective agreement with the NHL Players Association, pay half of their revenues to the players). In addition, the league also has a kind of equalization system under which the most profitable teams must share some of their cash with the most unprofitable. With a few exceptions like the New York Rangers, the money-spinning machines are Canadian, and the money-suckers are American. The NHL survived as a six team league, and thrived. There are now six Canadian teams, though there could easily be eight. The NHL won't allow more Canadian teams because that would just dilute the national TV revenue their American teams need to survive. Why could an eight team Canadian hockey league not thrive and provide us with better hockey than the current NHL? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/hockeys-back-and-the-nhl-is-still-sticking-it-to-canadian-fans/article32324463/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Argus said: There are now six Canadian teams, though there could easily be eight Seven though there could easily be nine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, BubberMiley said: Seven though there could easily be nine. Right. Forgot Winnipeg. So yeah, nine, and they'd have more money to play with than the remaining NHL franchises in the US so could attract the best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 For many years, the NHL also had an equalization scheme where US teams subsidized the CDN small market teams. The CDN dollar was at $.65 or thereabouts, and all salaries are paid in $US. Those CDN teams would not have survived without the US cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Canadian players want to be paid in U.S. dollars, not CDN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian players want to be paid in U.S. dollars, not CDN. Yes, that has been the case for a few decades now. Thanks for pointing it out immediately after I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 hours ago, overthere said: For many years, the NHL also had an equalization scheme where US teams subsidized the CDN small market teams. The CDN dollar was at $.65 or thereabouts, and all salaries are paid in $US. Those CDN teams would not have survived without the US cash. The major source of income for the NHL has always been the national Canadian television contract. If it was shared only with Canadian teams they would be way ahead of the Americans. The only thing which puts the Americans ahead is they have state funded teams. I.e., the state pays for their arenas and foregoes taxes on them and a number of other things, like food and parking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 You're welcome....our Canadian players are better than your Canadian players based on NHL championships won over the past few decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian players want to be paid in U.S. dollars, not CDN. Try dividing a $5.2 billion television contract into seven teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, Argus said: Try dividing a $5.2 billion television contract into seven teams. Is that USD or Canadian pesos ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I can see a NHL without many of the team, but I have a hard time having one without Boston, New York, Detroit, and Chicago. Perhaps a 11 team league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cum Laude Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 It's quite obvious from this thread that canadians SURE know their hockey, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 17 hours ago, Argus said: The major source of income for the NHL has always been the national Canadian television contract. If it was shared only with Canadian teams they would be way ahead of the Americans. The only thing which puts the Americans ahead is they have state funded teams. I.e., the state pays for their arenas and foregoes taxes on them and a number of other things, like food and parking. Until recently, by far the largest source of revenue for nearly all NHL teams was the gate, the ticket revenue. It still is, for that matter. The NHL is still far away from the kind of money that MLB and especially NFL get from TV deals. Oh, and the Canadian teams all have sweetheart deals with municipalities. It is entirely common everywhere. In many ways, they are treated as other businesses. If, for example, you were Joe Moneybags and you announced that you were looking for a new location for a huge bacon plant. What would happen? You'd get offers from scores of provinces, states, cities, counties etc of free land, free services, no taxes and plenty of help in every way. It is scarcely unique to pro sports or to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 None of the Canadian teams qualified for the NHL playoffs last season. When they suck so bad, they are already out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The US has not won a major international best-on-best hockey tournament since 1996. Speaking of 'suck so bad'....... On the other hand, Canuckistan has won it all for quite some time now..... Edited October 13, 2016 by overthere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 International tournaments won't pay the bills...or win Stanley Cups. Even when Canuckistan wins, it loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: None of the Canadian teams qualified for the NHL playoffs last season. When they suck so bad, they are already out. Yes, but the money and fan appreciation is in Canada, so if were not for those left wing league ideas of allowing American teams to steal Canadian players then we would not have that problem. It is Canadian players that are winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Yes, but the money and fan appreciation is in Canada, so if were not for those left wing league ideas of allowing American teams to steal Canadian players then we would not have that problem. It is Canadian players that are winning. All that means is that the Canadian players on Canadian teams must really suck compared to the Canadian players on American teams. The best players don't even want to be in Canada because of the crappy weather, higher cost of living, higher taxes, Canadian peso, etc. The expansion draft is for another team in the US of A.....not Canada ! Even "The Great One" left Canada....appreciate that. Edited October 13, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: All that means is that the Canadian players on Canadian teams must really suck compared to the Canadian players on American teams. The best players don't even want to be in Canada because of the crappy weather, higher cost of living, higher taxes, Canadian peso, etc. The expansion draft is for another team in the US of A.....not Canada ! Even "The Great One" left Canada....appreciate that. Just for clarity.....he's back working in Edmonton as of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 18 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: All that means is that the Canadian players on Canadian teams must really suck compared to the Canadian players on American teams. The best players don't even want to be in Canada because of the crappy weather, higher cost of living, higher taxes, Canadian peso, etc. The only reason US teams can outbid Canadian teams is because of your socialist system down south which provides teams with state funded arenas. In Canada's free enterprise system those rich hockey team owners have to mostly build their own facilities. The Ottawa Senators ownership, for example, had to build its own rink, on land it purchased. It then had to pay for a freeway interchange to be installed to carry the traffic, and it pays taxes on the land and every dollar it makes. As far as I'm aware no US team has to pay for any of that as the facilities are all state-owned, leaving a lot of excess money to hire players. Your cities and states might be going bankrupt but they all have first rate arenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Argus said: The only reason US teams can outbid Canadian teams is because of your socialist system down south.... As far as I'm aware no US team has to pay for any of that as the facilities are all state-owned, leaving a lot of excess money to hire players. Improve awareness using America's Google....Boston's arena was financed by Jeremy Jacobs and bank loans. It is used by the Bruins and Celtics. Several other facilities are public-private partnerships. The Las Vegas NHL expansion team will play at privately funded T-Mobile Arena....not state owned. US teams can win over players because several of the Canadian cities are no-go zones for contracts and trades. They and their families don't want to live there for several reasons. Can't say I blame them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: International tournaments won't pay the bills...or win Stanley Cups. Even when Canuckistan wins, it loses. Every Canadian rink is filled to capacity every night for NHL hockey. Too bad the US hockey players suck so bad when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Argus said: The only reason US teams can outbid Canadian teams is because of your socialist system down south which provides teams with state funded arenas. In Canada's free enterprise system those rich hockey team owners have to mostly build their own facilities. The Ottawa Senators ownership, for example, had to build its own rink, on land it purchased. It then had to pay for a freeway interchange to be installed to carry the traffic, and it pays taxes on the land and every dollar it makes. As far as I'm aware no US team has to pay for any of that as the facilities are all state-owned, leaving a lot of excess money to hire players. Your cities and states might be going bankrupt but they all have first rate arenas. American teams cannot outbid US teams for players, there is a hard salary cap in place now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, overthere said: Every Canadian rink is filled to capacity every night for NHL hockey. Too bad the US hockey players suck so bad when it matters. American sports consumers have far more choices, and hockey can't even get a big national TV contract. A Canadian team has not won the championship for over 20 years. Failed U.S. franchises get banished to Canada. The American teams win NHL championships, and most Americans don't even care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Chicago, Detroit, Boston, neither of the New York teams are not the problem. The problem is the plastic teams such as Anaheim, Florida, Tampa Bay in each of which people would probably be surprised to be told that hockey was originally aqn outdoor-game, which required certain circumstances for an outdoor game to be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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