Should we bring back Capital Punishment for violent crimes.

[CITIZEN_2015]

If she can find a doctor who will perform the operation I think she can.

Really? There is no laws against aborting at certain stage of pregnancy (say at the end)?

[Guest]

She won't find anyone to do that.

Oh I know. I was just answering a question to the best of my knowledge. I don't even know for sure if I'm correct.

Really? There is no laws against aborting at certain stage of pregnancy (say at the end)?

[Smallc]

Oh I know. I was just answering a question to the best of my knowledge. I don't even know for sure if I'm correct.

You're correct.

[dialamah]

You are denying the obvious. So men and women are equal in strength and can physically defend themselves equally?

No. You said a man who was shot wasn't as severe as a woman. If a person is shot, they're shot - there's no less severe way to be shot based on gender. Men can also be sexually molested or assaulted, but this is not talked about because there's a pervasive myth that men can't be sexually assaulted, and if they were they probably enjoyed it.

[bush_cheney2004]

I think it is aborting a fetus which is not illegal in Canada. Can a 9 month old pregnant woman abort legally?

Yes...but the point was that the "sanctity" of a human life has arbitrary limits, even in Canada. Fetuses are not guilty of any violent crimes.

[CITIZEN_2015]

No. You said a man who was shot wasn't as severe as a woman. If a person is shot, they're shot - there's no less severe way to be shot based on gender.

No not what I said. I said for a man shot dead at a corner store, the suffering is not as severe as a child or a woman molested over some period of time and then murdered. The other factor I mentioned involved is a crime against the defenseless (women and children and elderly) than a man who is capable of defending himself.

The severity of the crime against defenseless and nature of crime (rape against women and children causing lifetime suffering or murder of defenseless) justifies more severe punishment. As bad as it is a guy shot dead at a corner grocery store is not as severe when a child or a women is molested over years or murdered.

Edited September 4, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[?Impact]

For those who oppose a reminder that existing Statistics show that many who go to prison in this unjust system for rape and/or murder of women and children THEY DO IT AGAIN. Are you more concerned about saving the life of a rapist and murderer OR you care more about HIS FUTURE Victims.

You are making a completely fallacious assertion. What about life incarceration? It will also prevent them from DOING IT AGAIN.

[bush_cheney2004]

No not what I said. I said for a man shot dead at a corner store, the suffering is not as severe as a child or a woman molested over some period of time and then murdered. The other factor I mentioned involved is a crime against the defenseless (women and children and elderly) than a man who is capable of defending himself.

This position is still very sexist and inconsistent.

[Hal 9000]

No not what I said. I said for a man shot dead at a corner store, the suffering is not as severe as a child or a woman molested over some period of time and then murdered. The other factor I mentioned involved is a crime against the defenseless (women and children and elderly) than a man who is capable of defending himself.

What a ridiculous concept. Have you ever had someone come at you with a knife or gun? Have you ever even been in a fight?

[CITIZEN_2015]

You are making a completely fallacious assertion. What about life incarceration? It will also prevent them from DOING IT AGAIN.

Jeez come on. What planet do you live on!!! So the rape tool is only a penis???!!!!!. There are so many various ways and tools an assault can be committed and rape occur. And what about the murder part of women and children. Does incarceration takes care of that too!!!!!!!!.

[CITIZEN_2015]

What a ridiculous concept. Have you ever had someone come at you with a knife or gun? Have you ever even been in a fight?

No but if it happens I can defend myself but a child cannot and most likely most women cannot either,

Edited September 4, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[?Impact]

Jeez come on. What planet do you live on!!! So the rape tool is only a penis???!!!!!. There are so many various ways and tools an assault can be committed and rape occur. And what about the murder part of women and children. Does incarceration takes care of that too!!!!!!!!.

Obviously on a rational one, and not the illogical one you seem to inhabit. Your argument was to prevent future incidents, and I pointed out that life incarceration accomplishes the same goal. Going off on some wild tangent about the the particulars of the murder may gain you emotional support, but it doesn't further a rational argument.

[CITIZEN_2015]

This position is still very sexist and inconsistent.

I don't know why stating the fact is sexist. I am a feminist and strong one myself and you accuse me of being sexist!!!!!!!!!. It is a fact that most women are physically weaker than most men. I didn't lie to make women look bad and didn't say they should have less rights. That would have been sexist (and stupid)

[CITIZEN_2015]

Your argument was to prevent future incidents, and I pointed out that life incarceration accomplishes the same goal.

Not sure what was unclear about my post. I said it won't accomplish the same goal very clearly,

Edited September 4, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[?Impact]

I don't know why stating the fact is sexist. I am a feminist and strong one myself and you accuse me of being sexist!!!!!!!!!. It is a fact that most women are physically weaker than most men. I didn't lie to make women look bad and didn't say they should have less rights. That would have been sexist (and stupid)

It is also a fact that some women are physically stronger than some men, some in fact than most men.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't know why stating the fact is sexist. I am a feminist and strong one myself and you accuse me of being sexist!!!!!!!!!. It is a fact that most women are physically weaker than most men. I didn't lie to make women look bad and didn't say they should have less rights. That would have been sexist (and stupid)

OK...it's still a great start. Canada can execute the perps who molest and murder women and children to get the ball rolling.

Now is a good time to point out that a majority of polled Canadians favour capital punishment.

Edited September 4, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[?Impact]

OK...it's still a great start. Canada can execute the perps who molest and murder women and children to get the ball rolling.

When is the US going to execute the perps like Bush and Cheney that have murdered more women and children than all the prisoners sitting on death row put together?

[bush_cheney2004]

When is the US going to execute the perps like Bush and Cheney that have murdered more women and children than all the prisoners sitting on death row put together?

As soon as Canada re-instates capital punishment and executes PM Chretien for war crimes.

[CITIZEN_2015]

It is also a fact that some women are physically stronger than some men, some in fact than most men.

You are trying to change the fact that MOST men (a good majority) are physically stronger than most women (a great majority).

[CITIZEN_2015]

When is the US going to execute the perps like Bush and Cheney that have murdered more women and children than all the prisoners sitting on death row put together?

May be When I become the PM. I am just trying to gauge the support and who knows maybe politicians read this political forum and act. Even a conservative majority under Mulroney could not do it.

Edited September 4, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Hal 9000]

I don't know why stating the fact is sexist. I am a feminist and strong one myself and you accuse me of being sexist!!!!!!!!!. It is a fact that most women are physically weaker than most men. I didn't lie to make women look bad and didn't say they should have less rights. That would have been sexist (and stupid)

I think you just answered your own question - or exclamation as it were.

We're not talking about a wrestling match. You actually think that murdered men should've somehow defended themselves? What about Mary Winkler who shotgunned her husband in the back, should he have defended himself?

[?Impact]

You are trying to change the fact that MOST men (a good majority) are physically stronger than most women (a great majority).

I am not trying to change any facts. I am just pointing out the idiocy of the argument that a man deserves worse punishment just because men in general are physically stronger than women. Why does the Amazon who preys on 98-lb weak men get off with lighter punishment than a man?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Now is a good time to point out that a majority of polled Canadians favour capital punishment.

Great. I knew that as I read somewhere. A link please can help.

[bush_cheney2004]

Great. I knew that as I read somewhere. A link please can help.

Here ya go.....fry 'em !

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/majority-canadians-support-death-penalty-poll-180253516.html

[?Impact]

Here ya go.....fry 'em !

What is most interesting is the two 'beliefs' are completely false.

In particular, Canadians believe capital punishment would be a determent to potential murders and that would save taxpayers the costs associated with keeping our most notorious prisoners locked-up.

The last figure I saw from California was $308 million to kill someone. Assuming the person commits the murder when they are 18 years old, and live to be 95, that works out to $4 million a year. Cost of incarceration is maybe 7-8% of that.

There have been numerous studies that have proven the deference argument is completely false.