Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[cybercoma]

Sharia Law trumps Human Law for Muslims unless it is advantageous for the spread of Islam to follow said human law.

Just out of curiosity, do you get your talking points from 19th-century Orange Lodge manuals but scratch out "Catholics" and write in "Muslims?"

[DogOnPorch]

Just out of curiosity, do you get your talking points from 19th-century Orange Lodge manuals but scratch out "Catholics" and write in "Muslims?"

Insults are all you have.

[cybercoma]

Insults are all you have.

How was that an insult? Your idea isn't original. It's the same complaint the Orangemen had about Catholics.

[DogOnPorch]

How was that an insult? Your idea isn't original. It's the same complaint the Orangemen had about Catholics.

Insults are all you have. You have no rebuttal to the statement.

[Guest]

Interesting view. Values cause laws to be created or laws cause folks adhere to our values or perhaps laws are an inconvenience for those who have decided that their individual values are Canadian values or that their values supercede Canadian laws.

Sure, they are not mutually exclusive. They just aren't the same.

[dialamah]

Insults are all you have. You have no rebuttal to the statement.

Doesn't matter, you've had several people show you a different interpretation, which is followed by a billion or more Muslims. You are a believer, and 'debating' with you is about the same as debating with Betsy about abortion or the reality of the Christian God and creation. Even Argus makes better arguments than you do.

[DogOnPorch]

Again...attacking me personally does not change the validity of my statement: Sharia Law trumps Human Law (etc).

[Smallc]

Again...attacking me personally does not change the validity of my statement: Sharia Law trumps Human Law (etc).

Pointing out the fallacy in your argument is not a personal attack.

[DogOnPorch]

Pointing out the fallacy in your argument is not a personal attack.

So is your opinion: Sharia Law doesn't really matter to Muslims or something along those lines?

[Smallc]

So is your opinion: Sharia Law doesn't really matter to Muslims or something along those lines?

You must have a lot of straw lying around, eh?

[DogOnPorch]

You must have a lot of straw lying around, eh?

Well make a statement, then. What's your position re: Sharia Law vs Secular Law to Muslims?

[Smallc]

Well make a statement, then. What's your position re: Sharia Law vs Secular Law to Muslims?

Muslims aren't some monolithic group. The question is impossible to answer.

[DogOnPorch]

Muslims aren't some monolithic group. The question is impossible to answer.

No it's not: and it's your opinion in this case.

You're very good at pointing fingers...not so good at explaining the existence of Sharia Law.

[Smallc]

No it's not: and it's your opinion in this case.

It's my opinion that people aren't a monolith? Really?

You don't provide any evidence for your position, and dismiss any contrary evidence. We've danced this dance before. You're wrong.

[DogOnPorch]

It's my opinion that people aren't a monolith? Really?

You don't provide any evidence for your position, and dismiss any contrary evidence. We've danced this dance before. You're wrong.

You're free to defend Islam and blame me. As I've mentioned elsewhere, you pretty much have to at this point otherwise this entire experiment in allowing Islam to gain strong footholds in the West has been folly.

[jacee]

You're free to defend Islam and blame me. As I've mentioned elsewhere, you pretty much have to at this point otherwise this entire experiment in allowing Islam to gain strong footholds in the West has been folly.

So ... you don't believe in freedom of religion in Canada.

How UNCanadian of you!

<Deport him, officer! He refuses to respect the Constitution!>

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[Big Guy]

Sure, they are not mutually exclusive. They just aren't the same.

They are mutually exclusive but can be the same if their sameness is not mutual.

[DogOnPorch]

So ... you don't believe in freedom of religion in Canada.

How UNCanadian of you!

<Deport him, officer! He refuses to respect the Constitution!>

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Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM your Medieval woman hating religious ways.

[PIK]

Toronto star poll 67% of Canadian want the screening. And that is not all old stock Canadians either. People are getting sick of being called racist for demanding better immigration rules.

[DogOnPorch]

Join the club. Calling folks who disagree a racist is SOP for those who support Islamic mass immigration. This even though Islam has nothing to do with skin colour.

[Argus]

Equal treatment before and under the law, and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination.

The right to life, liberty, and security of the person.

The right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment.

None of which mention capital punishment, gays or euthanasia. But thanks for trying.

If we're going by polls, I doubt you'd be happy with what people would come up with:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1424367/charter-universal-health-care-top-canadian-unity-poll/

Bilingualism, multiculturalism, pluralism - these are all long held Canadian values. These three things are either explicitly mentioned (the first two) or implied (the foundations of pluralism are mentioned throughout the Charter) in our constitutional documents (both major ones in 1867 an 1982.

None of them, in this poll, rated more than 25%, and bilinigualism and multiculralism were below 10%.

But again, thanks for making it clear you have no idea what a value is, just like the people who created this poll.

Here's a hint. The Charter of Rights is not a value. Neither is health care, bilingualism or multiculturalism.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

I'm out of step? Yet you are the one not happy with Canada's current governance, and complain constantly about how the progressives are ruining everything.

Clearly you're out of step from the feelings of Canadians on protecting Canadian values.

Not Canadian Values?

No. Geez, and I the only one here who went to school?

[Argus]

Gay marriage and the death penalty were upheld and banned respectively because of the Canadian Constitution. Both are clearly "Canadian values" as much as anything could be.

No, they are not. First of all the death penalty was not banned. Second, gay marriage was not 'upheld'. It was written into the constitution by judges due to their own ideological biases. The people who actually wrote the constitution discussed including gays and deliberately chose not to do so. So this isn't even a case of the judges trying to figure out what the writers wanted. It's a case of the judges replacing parliament's decisions on what should be in the constitution for their own.

[dialamah]

No, they are not. First of all the death penalty was not banned. Second, gay marriage was not 'upheld'. It was written into the constitution by judges due to their own ideological biases. The people who actually wrote the constitution discussed including gays and deliberately chose not to do so. So this isn't even a case of the judges trying to figure out what the writers wanted. It's a case of the judges replacing parliament's decisions on what should be in the constitution for their own.

So you are for the death penalty and against gay marriage?

[Argus]

Well you gotta admit.... Conservative values are closer to those they're trying to keep out than 'progressive' views are to them.

That's like saying your views are closer to that of Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot than mine are. Essentially meaningless.

Although I do find it hilarious that progressives who would be horrified and outraged at a 'conservative' saying he wasn't entirely comfortable with gay marriage throwing their arms around fundamentalist Muslims who thinks gays should be executed and working so desperately to get as many of them into Canada as they possibly can.