31,000 jobs lost in Canada.

[taxme]

On the news today, it was pointed out that there were 31,000 jobs lost in Canada. Can anyone explain to me as to why Canada keeps bringing in more new immigrants and especially refugees when their is no work available, especially for those refugees who are coming to Canada and who have to be fed, clothed and housed while they try to look for work if they can find any? They will be competing with those 31,000 people who now will be looking for work also. Is there no thought or care or compassion for Canadians anymore by the Federal government and it's screw ball politicians and their stunned programs and agendas, and who appear to treat Canadians who are unemployed as cattleand who don't exist?

I am at a loss as to why this keeps happening at all. Our immigration policy is way out of whack along with our politicians who keep bringing in more immigrants then we can handle. We need to have a moratorium on immigration for as long as a decade or so until we can get our unemployment rate down next to nil. Bringing in more new immigrants is not going to solve the unemployment problem, it will only add to it.

So, should Canada close the door to all immigration for awhile until we can get our unemployment problem under control? Bringing in more people than we can handle is costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of millions if not billions of tax dollars to try and feed, clothe and house people who come here and who should not be here and really do not deserve Canadians hard-working tax dollars to keep them here. Are Canadians unemployed going to be considered more important than the rest of the world.

What say you? Over.

[dialamah]

The census is winding down; they hired upwards of 30,000 people across Canada and those jobs end over July and August. Perhaps that's a factor.

There's a job or three available where I work. Unfortunately, none the thousands of displaced Alberta oil-field workers are likely to be qualified for those jobs. Probably we can find qualified Canadians and that's the goal, but if we cannot, we still have to fill those positions and will look out-of-country.

There are lots of jobs available in my field; I get lists of them daily in my email. Perhaps my field isn't high-paying enough for many people. I suppose when they run out of EI and/or savings they'll consider taking the lower paying jobs.

Once again, the sky is not actually falling.

[Smoke]

Two things.

1) It was probably Harper's fault.

2) If it is the Liberal's fault, then it's probably not a problem.

[msj]

Two things.

1) It was probably Harper's fault.

2) If it is the Liberal's fault, then it's probably not a problem.

A third: neither' fault.

Fourth: employment goes up; goes down. That's normal.

Fifth: why do people think it's all about politicians when it comes to jobs? It is about markets.

[dre]

Stopping immigration in response to high unemployment would be a really bad idea at this time. The services sector is pretty much our entire economy, and the realestate market is the only thing propping our economy up. Both of these things depend on population growth. Every immigrant or canadian lives in some kind of building... The need for more housing is what keeps the construction industry going. They shop at stores, so population growth creates opportunities for new business to start up which employ people.

Pretty much all we do as a nation is sell domestic services to ourselves.

A little perspective... There's 14.07 million jobs in the domestic services sector. There's only 354 thousand jobs in all of the mining, fishing, oil, gas industry combined.

Taking action to restrict growth in response to high unemployment would an act of such incredible stupidity that it would probably cause a huge recession, and might finally pop that realestate bubble we have been growing.

[Argus]

Stopping immigration in response to high unemployment would be a really bad idea at this time. The services sector is pretty much our entire economy, and the realestate market is the only thing propping our economy up.

But immigrants, including refugees, who can't afford to pay their way are a drag on the economy, since they need government income support as well as all the usual government services like health care.

[dre]

But immigrants, including refugees, who can't afford to pay their way are a drag on the economy, since they need government income support as well as all the usual government services like health care.

Right, there's a cost in subsidies and that contributes to government debt. But growing the debt a little bit when the economy is not performing well, is better than taking action that might completely crash the economy.

In the long term I agree with you... Iv never believed in the whole "free trade / service based economy" myth. I don't believe you can have a stable economy based on such a large services sector for too long, and we should be trying to encourage a more productive economy. We have way more people just shuffling paper than we have manufacturing things, foresting, mining, etc.

There's 1.1 million jobs in the financial services and insurance sector, and 354 thousand jobs in the entire resource industry. Think about that for a second. For every person with a shovel or hammer in his hand, there's 3 people trying to make a living off of lending him money and selling him insurance.

We only have 1.7 million manufacturing jobs, and only 1.3 million construction jobs. And as resource rich as we are, the fact that we only have 354 thousand jobs in resources is mind numbing to me.

But whether you and I agree its a bad idea or not is elementary at this point. Our economy IS the real estate and services sector, and if demand is curtailed there is a very large risk of a really really bad outcome.

Edited August 6, 2016 by dre

[Argus]

In the long term I agree with you... Iv never believed in the whole "free trade / service based economy" myth. I don't believe you can have a stable economy based on such a large services sector for too long, and we should be trying to encourage a more productive economy. We have way more people just shuffling paper than we have manufacturing things, foresting, mining, etc.

There's 1.1 million jobs in the financial services and insurance sector, and 354 thousand jobs in the entire resource industry. Think about that for a second. For every person with a shovel or hammer in his hand, there's 3 people trying to make a living off of lending him money and selling him insurance.

We only have 1.7 million manufacturing jobs, and only 1.3 million construction jobs. And as resource rich as we are, the fact that we only have 354 thousand jobs in resources is mind numbing to me.

But whether you and I agree its a bad idea or not is elementary at this point. Our economy IS the real estate and services sector, and if demand is curtailed there is a very large risk of a really really bad outcome.

Yes, the services sector is very large, and where it's internal, and most of it is, then it doesn't really contribute anything to the wealth of this country. It's just money being churned around from one guy to the next and back again.

But anyone not doing anything, but consuming government services and in many cases income, is a big anchor on the rest of us, and we should be doing everything possible to remedy that situation. Part of that would certainly involve being more careful about who we let in, adjusting our immigration numbers and sources so as to maximize economic benefit.

Your numbers for natural resources is off. It looks like you're using the numbers for the energy industry. The actual number is more like 900,000 direct and another 900,000 indirect jobs. The good part of natural resources is so much is exported, which means we are selling to others, which enriches us in a way internal service transactions do not.

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/key-facts/16013

[dre]

Your numbers for natural resources is off. It looks like you're using the numbers for the energy industry. The actual number is more like 900,000 direct and another 900,000 indirect jobs. The good part of natural resources is so much is exported, which means we are selling to others, which enriches us in a way internal service transactions do not.

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/key-facts/16013

If I posted bad stats it was unintentional.

I got the data from here...

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/econ40-eng.htm

The third line item is "Forestry, fishing, mining, quarrying, oil and gas^1" That's where I got the 354 000 from. If Im wrong Im thrilled about it, because it seems like it oughtta be way way higher.

[dre]

Yes, the services sector is very large, and where it's internal, and most of it is, then it doesn't really contribute anything to the wealth of this country. It's just money being churned around from one guy to the next and back again.

That's not necessarily true. Wealth can, and has been created in closed economies. Dollars are really little licences to use up natural resources, and if you make something and sell it to someone else it adds value to those natural resources and wealth is created.

For example... The planet Earth is a closed economy. We don't trade with other planets we just sell goods and services to each other that are on some level derived from natural resources.

Still... I would be more comfortable if a larger share of the economy was productive, and less of the jobs were just shuffling paper. But that ship sailed when we bought into the "free trade / service based economy" lie/fraud/myth. We cant be productive now, because there's always going to be some place in the world that can produce things for much less due to extremely low labor costs, corrupt governments/dictators, and the absence of labor, environment, and safety regulation.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Immigration pays off in the long term. Those who come as refugees though initially may need assistance but eventually (some sooner than others) would become tax payers for years and decades. Spend, buy houses, cars, and clothing and stimulate growth. Those majority who come as immigrants will start contributing much sooner. Doctors help Canadian sick, teachers and professors help Canadian children, others open shops, restaurants hire Canadians or pay taxes to help our social programs, and the story goes on for all other professions. So we have to use some intelligence and look into a broader picture rather than labeling all immigrants as helpless illiterate refugees who will be a burden on Canadian taxpayers. Suggesting that our immigration number must be a statistical equation of employment level for a month or two or even a year is very short sighted and not practical. that said I think our immigration level is way too high (recession or not) and Canada may not be able to absorb some 250,000 immigrants each year (for a country of 33 million only). I would encourage setting the level to 150,000 and more selective as who we let in.

That said I agree there are some immigrants (as well as some Canadian born) who will be a burden forever or engage in criminal activities or refuse to accept the tolerant liberal values of most Canadians. Those who fall into this categories must be refused or deported unconditionally as soon as they fail to prove that they are worthy of living in this society (i.e. first criminal record must be followed by deportation). Also I agree that immigrants from certain parts of the world mainly middle east and Africa must prove that they accept and respect the values mentioned above. We can't ban immigrants based on where they are born but rather assess them individually by some means so that extremists and militants and those who don't believe in respect of all religions and equality of gender will not enter this country at the first place (and I don't know how as I am not an immigration expert).

Edited August 6, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Moonlight Graham]

Dear Mr. Trump,

Refugees aren't brought in to help our economy. (In theory) they're brought it to be charitable to people who face risk of death or other terrible nightmarish things if they stay in their country. No matter the state of our economy, we're not going to make money on Syrians or Central Africans coming here.

Unless you clean bathrooms for a living, refugees aren't going to take your job so don't worry about it.

If we don't bring in immigrants in general the population will shrink as will our economy because Caucasian women want careers instead of lots of babies and Caucasian men don't leave their mom's basement until they're 30.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Dear Mr. Trump,

Refugees aren't brought in to help our economy. (In theory) they're brought it to be charitable to people who face risk of death or other terrible nightmarish things if they stay in their country. No matter the state of our economy, we're not going to make money on Syrians or Central Africans coming here.

Unless you clean bathrooms for a living, refugees aren't going to take your job so don't worry about it.

If we don't bring in immigrants in general the population will shrink as will our economy because Caucasian women want careers instead of lots of babies and Caucasian men don't leave their mom's basement until they're 30.

This post is so false and shortsighted. I know of refugees from China (in late 80"s and early 90"s) and Iran (in the 80"s) who were accepted as immigrants and who were university/college students at the time but not feeling safe to return home and hence granted immigration status then and who are now in high ranking positions and long time tax payers like engineers, doctors, teachers/professors,...etc. Painting all refugees with same brush as bathroom cleaners demonstrates clearly lack of wisdom and knowledge to say the least.

[bush_cheney2004]

... because Caucasian women want careers instead of lots of babies and Caucasian men don't leave their mom's basement until they're 30.

Of course....because such things don't apply to Canada's "visible minorities". Shortsighted indeed.

[taxme]

The census is winding down; they hired upwards of 30,000 people across Canada and those jobs end over July and August. Perhaps that's a factor.

There's a job or three available where I work. Unfortunately, none the thousands of displaced Alberta oil-field workers are likely to be qualified for those jobs. Probably we can find qualified Canadians and that's the goal, but if we cannot, we still have to fill those positions and will look out-of-country.

There are lots of jobs available in my field; I get lists of them daily in my email. Perhaps my field isn't high-paying enough for many people. I suppose when they run out of EI and/or savings they'll consider taking the lower paying jobs.

Once again, the sky is not actually falling.

Well, if the census wind down is on then those 30,000 people will be looking for another job. Bringing in more new immigrants, plus the 50,000 Syrian refugees that are suppose to be coming here to Canada, with no jobs, is not going to help those that will get laid off. Immigration is a big factor in this situation. I guess if you did work in the oilfields and made big bucks, one is probably not quite ready to take on a job at minimum wage. A little let down for those people in the oilfields. But like you said they will have to take those jobs to be able to meet their debt loads and payments when the EI stops.

There apparently are thousands of new immigrants and refugees who are not working, and appear to not want to work. And why would they when they are getting free welfare money from the government to stay home. These people should be forced to go to work if we are going to keep them here, and not be allowed to just sit around on their butts and do nothing. Force them to work and give our own people in the laid off oilfields a little more EI to carry them over until they can return to work and find a decent salary that they are use too. Money for laid off Canadians, not for the rest of the world.

Refugees deserve nothing, but yet they appear to get more than what they really deserve. How a Syrian refugee man for instance who has a wife and five children suppose to make it in Canada, who may not speak English, and knows nothing about Canadian culture is going to survive without taxpayers help is beyond me. But yet Canada just keeps bringing them on in, and the Canadian taxpayers are on the hook for billions to pay for it all.

Sometimes I have to wonder about Canadians. They seem to just not get it and are not with the program that needs to be implemented and carried out. Our Canadian immigration policy stinks. We could cut billions from that program and agenda, and maybe we could get rid of the dreaded GST.

Hey, you never know.

[taxme]

A third: neither' fault.

Fourth: employment goes up; goes down. That's normal.

Fifth: why do people think it's all about politicians when it comes to jobs? It is about markets.

When you have close to two million unemployed Canadians, it is the fault of our politicians. Stop immigration for awhile and let us get those unemployed people back to work. It is costing the working man/woman billions to pay people to stay home. Why does this not make more common sense and logic to most Canadians that immigration does not help the situation but adds to it. Tough love is what is required here, not this constant emotionalism and foolishness that we need more immigrants.

[taxme]

Stopping immigration in response to high unemployment would be a really bad idea at this time. The services sector is pretty much our entire economy, and the realestate market is the only thing propping our economy up. Both of these things depend on population growth. Every immigrant or canadian lives in some kind of building... The need for more housing is what keeps the construction industry going. They shop at stores, so population growth creates opportunities for new business to start up which employ people.

Pretty much all we do as a nation is sell domestic services to ourselves.

A little perspective... There's 14.07 million jobs in the domestic services sector. There's only 354 thousand jobs in all of the mining, fishing, oil, gas industry combined.

Taking action to restrict growth in response to high unemployment would an act of such incredible stupidity that it would probably cause a huge recession, and might finally pop that realestate bubble we have been growing.

So, we should just keep on bringing in more refugees and add them to the list of the unemployed. Many refugees are on welfare and have been for a long time. Not helping much to Canada's growth. It looks to me like the big industry in Canada is keeping people on welfare. I am pretty sure that the bill runs into the billions. But who is counting. Yup, more immigration sure makes a lot of sense to me alright. Not.

If we get the unemployed Canadians back to work first that should avoid any kind of possible recession. With every one working there will be plenty of money going around to keep the economy running and working. There may be some good to come from having limited immigration just keep it small.

I think that the real estate bubble will pop one day. With all those Asians buying into the market, they are the reason why buying a home is so expensive. That is not good for Canadians who want to buy a home. So, in some instances, immigration works against, and not for Canadians.

[dre]

When you have close to two million unemployed Canadians, it is the fault of our politicians. Stop immigration for awhile and let us get those unemployed people back to work. It is costing the working man/woman billions to pay people to stay home. Why does this not make more common sense and logic to most Canadians that immigration does not help the situation but adds to it. Tough love is what is required here, not this constant emotionalism and foolishness that we need more immigrants.

I'm always amazed by some of the myths posted on here about our immigrants.

The unemployment rate for immigrants is 6.9%

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor91a-eng.htm

The over-all unemployment rate? 6.9%

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jobs-canada-july-1.3708611

When we let in 100 immigrants, 96 of them find work, and all 100 create new demand for every kind of product and service imaginable - cars, homes, groceries, clothing, insurance, financial services, etc, etc, etc, etc. Providing all these services to a growing population is almost 3/4's of our economy.

If Canadians want to halt immigration, they better start fvcking without birth control like rabits instead of jerking off to internet porn -, and damn quick - and start ejaculating in their girl-friends vaginas again instead of all over their tits. Because if steps are taken that slow population growth or contract it, you are going to see the ugliest times since the 1920's.

I don't think you even have the foggiest idea of what your talking about. Just the mere ANNOUNCEMENT that Canada was going to halt immigration, would send our markets into a downward spiral, and immediately pop the housing bubble.

Careful what you wish for.

Edited August 6, 2016 by dre

[Argus]

I'm always amazed by some of the myths posted on here about our immigrants.

The unemployment rate for immigrants is 6.9%

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor91a-eng.htm

The over-all unemployment rate? 6.9%

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jobs-canada-july-1.3708611

That is not what your cite appears to say.

landed immigrants 7.3

recent immigrants 12.1

immigrants landed more than 5 to 10 years ago 9

Canadian born 6 (at the time of the statistics)

[dre]

That is not what your cite appears to say.

landed immigrants 7.3

recent immigrants 12.1

immigrants landed more than 5 to 10 years ago 9

Canadian born 6 (at the time of the statistics)

Its true that recent immigrants have a higher unemployment rate, and its also expected and understandable.

But when you compare "Total Population", VS "Born In Canada" you can see that as a whole immigration has almost no effect on the unemployment rate what-so-ever. One tenth of one percent.

Edited August 6, 2016 by dre

[taxme]

I'm always amazed by some of the myths posted on here about our immigrants.

The unemployment rate for immigrants is 6.9%

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor91a-eng.htm

The over-all unemployment rate? 6.9%

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jobs-canada-july-1.3708611

When we let in 100 immigrants, 96 of them find work, and all 100 create new demand for every kind of product and service imaginable - cars, homes, groceries, clothing, insurance, financial services, etc, etc, etc, etc. Providing all these services to a growing population is almost 3/4's of our economy.

If Canadians want to halt immigration, they better start fvcking without birth control like rabits instead of jerking off to internet porn -, and damn quick - and start ejaculating in their girl-friends vaginas again instead of all over their tits. Because if steps are taken that slow population growth or contract it, you are going to see the ugliest times since the 1920's.

I don't think you even have the foggiest idea of what your talking about. Just the mere ANNOUNCEMENT that Canada was going to halt immigration, would send our markets into a downward spiral, and immediately pop the housing bubble.

Careful what you wish for.

Your opinion, not mine. I don't believe in all that doom and gloom stuff that if we cut immigration for awhile that will kill Canada. Bull crap to that idea. Corporations and politicians and the lame duck media always keep trying to make the case that more immigration is good for Canada. Ya, good for corporations who get cheap labor from all those third world immigrants and refugees that Canada keeps allowing in. Some new immigrants do end up cleaning toilets and there are some Canadians who do that also. Trust me, I have seen this many times. So I don't believe this nonsense that Canadians will not clean toilets. That is a bunch of crap.

How can bringing in 50,000 refugees and think that it will be good for Canada? Aren't these refugees suppose to be broke? It will cost the Canadian taxpayer billions in welfare payments before they possibly find a job and start paying their way, if they ever do. And those billions are borrowed from the banksters who make great profits from the government having to borrow money from them. That keeps Canada in debt with huge interest payments. It's a win-win situation for banksters and refugees.

So you say that when we let 100 new immigrants in 96 find jobs. I would prefer to not let any new immigrants in that are going to take those 96 jobs away from unemployed Canadians. Why give those jobs to new immigrants and keep Canadians unemployed and on welfare? That makes no sense to me. And people always worrying about what the markets will do is ridiculous. Halting immigration will not effect anything. If the two million unemployed Canadians get back to work the markets will make just as much money. Those Canadians will now be contributing to the economy, and not draining it. The doom and gloomers are all alike. They panic when the media says the sky is going to fall in if we don't listen to what the big market boys say. Relax. The money boys see money in everything going on out there. They are not going to lose much money if any. They are the money.

[TimG]

When we let in 100 immigrants, 96 of them find work

Its not quite simple. 90% of the immigrants who are actively seeking work find employment. This is misleading (i.e. children and old people are not actively seeking work). Of you want you case, you need the statistics for the number of immigrants who end up with work as a percent of the total which includes the elderly and kids. Then you have to subtract the number of jobs which were taken away from someone already here (it is not 100% but it is greater than 0%). I doubt these numbers would support your case.

[taxme]

Its true that recent immigrants have a higher unemployment rate, and its also expected and understandable.

But when you compare "Total Population", VS "Born In Canada" you can see that as a whole immigration has almost no effect on the unemployment rate what-so-ever. One tenth of one percent.have to pay for all that recent immigration unemployment.

It will effect the taxpaying Canadians out there who will have to foot the bill for all those recent unemployed immigrants and refugees that we keep bringing in. You need to get off and stop living the immigration dream. Logic and common sense is required here, not emotionalism and foolishness thinking. A moratorium on immigration for awhile, or very little immigration, will not bring Canada down to it.s knees. Many countries do not have any immigration or very little and they seem to be doing just fine. I guess that maybe because they are just not thinking big like Canada is trying to do.

[WestCoastRunner]

. Logic and common sense is required here, not emotionalism and foolishness thinking.

Right back at ya!

[taxme]

Its not quite simple. 90% of the immigrants who are actively seeking work find employment. This is misleading (i.e. children and old people are not actively seeking work). Of you want you case, you need the statistics for the number of immigrants who end up with work as a percent of the total which includes the elderly and kids. Then you have to subtract the number of jobs which were taken away from someone already here (it is not 100% but it is greater than 0%). I doubt these numbers would support your case.

A good point about kids and older people. Older people coming to Canada that fall under the catagory of family reunion and whom are let in will only add to the burden of the taxpayers. I believe that after they have been here for so many years they are now allowed to become a Canadian citizen. They now can get all that host Canadians get. They have contributed nothing and yet get paid for doing so. There is something surely wrong with this picture.