Zionism's influence over Western politics

[Big Guy]

Looks like the Zionist lobby is making inroads in American politics:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/07/bds-movement-facing-challenges-160717125349715.html

"Civil liberties groups say that these measures are unconstitutional attacks on the right of activists to boycott Israel, and note that the US Supreme Court has upheld boycotts as protected advocacy under the First Amendment of the US Constitution."

I agree. Time for Canadians to take a close look at supporting BDS.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's elected/ruling government already took a close look, and rejected the BDS "movement":

Parliament has voted by a wide margin to condemn the growing international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign being waged against Israel for what is alleged to be the Jewish state’s failure to accord equal rights to Arabs in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

...The governing Liberals mostly supported the motion, making the final tally 229 in favour of condemning the BDS movement with 51 opposed.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/parliament-votes-to-reject-campaign-to-boycott-israel/article28863810/

[scribblet]

And rightly so !!

[Moonlight Graham]

If you boycott Israel but not China, are you a hypocrite?

[jacee]

Canada's elected/ruling government already took a close look, and rejected the BDS "movement":

Parliament has voted by a wide margin to condemn the growing international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign being waged against Israel for what is alleged to be the Jewish states failure to accord equal rights to Arabs in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

...The governing Liberals mostly supported the motion, making the final tally 229 in favour of condemning the BDS movement with 51 opposed.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/parliament-votes-to-reject-campaign-to-boycott-israel/article28863810/

Who gives a sh!t what they say.

Freedom of expression and association says otherwise.

They can pound sand.

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[Argus]

Oh good, another hate filled diatribe about the world's only Jewish state. I mean, it's been at least HOURS since the last one. And thankfully, we've got another topic given there are only a few hundred "I hate Jews/I hate Israel/I hate Zionists" topics on this web site. Hey, uh, who would this "zionist lobby" be made up of? Would I be wrong to guess uhm, JEWS?

Let's see, on the one side you have this collection of brutal, corrupt dictatorships which openly practice torture and deny even basic human rights to all citizens - otherwise known as the Arab world, and then you have a Jewish democracy with an independent judiciary, free press, and a variety of human rights guarantees.

Clearly only the ZIONIST lobby keeps us from siding with the Arabs against those awful Jews! What other reason could there be!?

It's all that "ZIONIST" money, you know, and the "ZIONIST" control of the media! Everyone knows how those "ZIONISTS" are rich and cheap and have long noses to boot!

[jacee]

Our Taxes Should Not Fund Israel's Discriminatory Land Policies

Backlash aside, the Green's JNF [Jewish National Fund] resolution affirms a principle enunciated by the Supreme Court 60 years ago. Into the 1950s, restrictive land covenants in many exclusive neighbourhoods and communities across Canada made it impossible for Jews, Blacks, Chinese, Aboriginals and other "non-whites to buy property.

Six decades after the Supreme Court delivered a blow to racist property covenants, 62 per cent of Green members have voted for a resolution calling on Ottawa to end its support for a charity that discriminates in land use abroad.

An owner of 13 per cent of Israel's land, JNF's bylaws and lease documents contain a restrictive covenant stating its property will not be leased to non-Jews. A 1998 United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights found it systematically discriminated against Palestinian citizens of Israel (Arab Israelis) who make up a fifth of the population.

Would a 'democracy' have laws discriminating against people by ethnicity?

Should our democracy fund (with tax breaks, our money) an agency that practices discrimination?

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Edited August 3, 2016 by jacee

[Argus]

An owner of 13 per cent of Israel's land, JNF's bylaws and lease documents contain a restrictive covenant stating its property will not be leased to non-Jews. A 1998 United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights found it systematically discriminated against Palestinian citizens of Israel (Arab Israelis) who make up a fifth of the population.

Would a 'democracy' have laws discriminating against people by ethnicity?

Ours does, and always has. And fancy a Jewish charity discriminating in favour of Jews! Wow! Next thing you'll be telling me Catholic charities favour Catholics and Muslim charities favour Muslims!

[Rue]

Our Taxes Should Not Fund Israel's Discriminatory Land Policies

Backlash aside, the Green's JNF [Jewish National Fund] resolution affirms a principle enunciated by the Supreme Court 60 years ago. Into the 1950s, restrictive land covenants in many exclusive neighbourhoods and communities across Canada made it impossible for Jews, Blacks, Chinese, Aboriginals and other "non-whites to buy property.

Six decades after the Supreme Court delivered a blow to racist property covenants, 62 per cent of Green members have voted for a resolution calling on Ottawa to end its support for a charity that discriminates in land use abroad.

An owner of 13 per cent of Israel's land, JNF's bylaws and lease documents contain a restrictive covenant stating its property will not be leased to non-Jews. A 1998 United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights found it systematically discriminated against Palestinian citizens of Israel (Arab Israelis) who make up a fifth of the population.

Would a 'democracy' have laws discriminating against people by ethnicity?

Should our democracy fund (with tax breaks, our money) an agency that practices discrimination?

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What world do you live in? Which planet? Why do you pretend Muslim countries do not discriminate against non Muslims. Sharia law defines non Muslims as dhimmi, infidel, lhafir. You have never once come on this board to whine and kvetch about the blatant out and out apartheid and discriminatory regimes of Muslim states, particularly those in the Middle East? Why not? Why so selective?

That selectivity is why you are laughed at. You are far from consistent in what outrages you.

You are the first to come on this board and whine its group punishment if the Israeli government blows up the home of a terrorist. You are also the first to applaud and support group punishment as long as its against Jews for believing they have the right to a Jewish state.

It is that transparent and simple with you. Your selective outrage makes it absurd.

Get back to me when you boycott Canada, the US, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq. Turkey, Yemen, Malaysia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Mali, Burundi. Start with them. That will keep you busy.

[Rue]

Green was the favourite colour of Muhammed Ghadafi. He changed the Libya flag to a green flag and insisted on wearing green and being in rooms full of it. Its also the background on the Saudi Arabia flag. Clearly that is a Zionist conspiracy.

[jacee]

What world do you live in? Which planet? Why do you pretend Muslim countries do not discriminate against non Muslims. Sharia law defines non Muslims as dhimmi, infidel, lhafir. You have never once come on this board to whine and kvetch about the blatant out and out apartheid and discriminatory regimes of Muslim states, particularly those in the Middle East? Why not? Why so selective?

Israel claims to be a modern democracy.

Show me where we fund, with charitable tax breaks, discrimination against Jews in a modern Arab democracy.

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Edited August 3, 2016 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's ruling government also refuses to cancel a huge arms contract with Saudi Arabia...must be those pesky Zionists !

[Big Guy]

Looks like at least one Canadian party has the gonads to do something about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elizabeth-may-ponders-future-green-party-support-bds-1.3713262

Nice to see that there are Canadians who are ashamed of our support of Israeli tactics against defenseless Palestinians.

[Hudson Jones]

The Green Party in the U.S., led by Dr. Jill Stein who is Jewish (gasp) also endorses BDS!

Link

There is a shift in public opinion. You cannot stop the movement. Apartheid South Africa was defeated through the power of the people. The same thing will happen to Zionism.

Edited August 11, 2016 by Hudson Jones

[jacee]

Controversy brings more attention to the Palestinian 'question'.

Not a bad thing.

Those discussions are useful for educating people about Israel's aggressive land grabs - Palestinian land, without the Palestinian people who live there.

Maybe "Zionism's influence over western politics" will backfire. The more heavy handed it appears, the more people are aware and paying attention, the less welcome it will be.

Perhaps.

Peace does not lie in victory or defeat or silencing the other.

Peace lies in the desire to live peacefully.

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[Argus]

Looks like at least one Canadian party has the gonads to do something about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elizabeth-may-ponders-future-green-party-support-bds-1.3713262

Nice to see that there are Canadians who are ashamed of our support of Israeli tactics against defenseless Palestinians.

A party falling apart now, due to flakes and anti-Semites. There's only so many fanatics willing to vote for such garbage in Canada, and all the Greens have done is ensured even fewer people will vote for them next time around.

[The_Squid]

Looks like at least one Canadian party has the gonads to do something about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elizabeth-may-ponders-future-green-party-support-bds-1.3713262

Nice to see that there are Canadians who are ashamed of our support of Israeli tactics against defenseless Palestinians.

Welcome back to the fringe Green Party.... Idiots.

Edited August 12, 2016 by The_Squid

[cybercoma]

This is a disaster for the Green Party. May will quit over this and they're going to lose one of the best party leaders we've had in a generation and absolutely the best leader the Greens have had or will have for a very long time.

[Rue]

Israel claims to be a modern democracy.

Show me where we fund, with charitable tax breaks, discrimination against Jews in a modern Arab democracy.

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Sorry didn't have a chance to respond. First you will note this thread now has nothing to do with the topic started. Its just as usual a pretext to place an anti Israeli diatribe on the forum and have it pop to the top of the list under Rest of the World when someone responds that contain Arab nationalist pus.

Hmmm?

Who are we kidding. This is a pathetic thread with one pretext, flood the board with negative comments about Jews, Israel and Zionists.

Now in regards to your question are you actually serious. Are you saying you have no awareness of how terrorist organizations use charities in Canada to fund terrorism? Really?

Are you denying that or are you denying what I said, that sharia law defines Jews in Muslim countries as dhimmi, citizens of second class who are nopt allowed the same rights as Muslims? Do you deny that? I note your question avoids what I said and tries to deflect the question.

You not only try avoid the rampant discrimination against non Muslims and in particular Jews in Muslim countries that is a major reason they created Israel-to liberate themselves from this Muslim discrimination, but now you would deny terrorists don't use charities in Arab countries to finance terrorism that is exported to the West Bank, Gaza, elsewhere? Really.

Well hey you brought it up I will respond twice. Once with references as to how Muslim terrorists use charities to collect money from Canadians, and another on the rampant discrimination of Jews in Muslim countries, carry on the pretense you didn't know either. Come on Jacee get real just once.

Look at the pathetic responses. Look what "Hudson Jones" resorts to. He found a "Jew" who supports BDS. Now what, do I litter the board with Muslims who support the existence of Israel? You see what this board is turned into? After all this time the best they can do is pull this pathetic GOOD Jew v. BAD Jew routine attacking Jews as bad if they support Israel and defining them as good if they are anti Israel? Really?

That's what this forum is about, using such threads to repeat the same anti semitic drivel and anti semitic devices over and over and over.

Good Jew, bad Jew over and over and this passes as discussion of the thread? Its a piss session-its a piss session that shows what Hudson Jones et al are about-coming on this board and teling we Jews, if you support Israel you are bad bad bad and we magically control gentiles. What diaheria.

How would you feel if I place a thread saying Israel and Zionists are fantastic on this thread. Then each day watch and if its responded to by anyone giggle as it zips to the top and if no one responds of course on I would come saying Israel is a cure for cancer and its people anti cancer agents that

[Rue]

This is a disaster for the Green Party. May will quit over this and they're going to lose one of the best party leaders we've had in a generation and absolutely the best leader the Greens have had or will have for a very long time.

There was a militant anti Israel group that joined the Green Part from its original beginnings. They did so because they thought the small size of the national party would enable it to infiltrate faster and be able to use its national status to switch it's environmental focus to their own particular agenda.

Ms. May has tried to ignore it. She doesn't support it, but she has been afraid to confront it fearing it would make her look undemocratic. In fact the NDP

and its leader who they now voted out, confronted the same groups who tried to dominate NDP Middle East debate and their platform of being neutral and recognizing both sides right to exist while asking Israel to withdraw from the West Bank but to safe and defensible borders. The NDP had an ingternal fight because certain unions were very very anti Israel to the point of openly supporting terrorism. The NDP dealt with it head on.

The LIberals still have not. The Middle East advisor to Justin Trudeau is a blatant anti semite and Trudeau's brother did a propaganda documentart extolling the virtues of the Iranian government and its form of Muslim theocracy and Sasha Trudeau openly applauds Iran and its support of Hezbollah.

There is a lot of institutionalized anti Israel sentiment passed off as being acceptable since its couched with the word Israel or Zionist but when the contents are read contains clear attacks on JEWS and Christians who support Israel lumping them all in negative stereotypes.

The Green Party's problems are obvious because its so small. In any event it has nothing to do with the thread but it again shows how these threads piddle and paddle following the stream of anti Israeli urine to wherever it goes. Trinkle, trinkle, trinkle.

[Big Guy]

This is a disaster for the Green Party. May will quit over this and they're going to lose one of the best party leaders we've had in a generation and absolutely the best leader the Greens have had or will have for a very long time.

I agree. This is one time where I would support a politician crossing the floor. She has been elected and re-elected based on her personality, not on her affiliation. I believe the old Green policies were not that different from the current Liberal ones. She is respected by most members of all parties and I suspect that JT would accept her into his party.

[Rue]

Big Guy you amaze moi. You really do .

1. The Green Party approach to carbon tax and incentives is not the same as the Liberal party's as Ms. May has gone to

great lengths to explain;

2. In fact the Middle East contingent in the Green Party already are affiliated with and closely work with Justin Trudeu's Middle East adviser.

His name is Omar. Go find out who Omar is. Lol your posts are funny.

[cybercoma]

Most people disagree with me but I'd love to see May at the helm of the NDP.

[Rue]

I think she would actually make a better fit in the Liberals than Trudeau in terms of substance Cyber. I don't think they want someone of substance. They want superficial press style.

[Rue]

To respond to Jacee's comments about charities in Canada and Muslim terrorism:

http://ottawacitizen...r-canadas-radar

http://www.tactical...._5a4da96fa.html