betsy Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) That's true... Abortion rights... Gay rights.... My right to buy beer on a Sunday.... The religious have to respect those rights now where they didn't before. Rights that hurt others must be challenged. Your right stops the moment it steps on someone else's rights! Abortion is an act of murder! If you want to pursue abortion discussion - create a separate thread for it. We don't want to hijack this thread. Edited July 15, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) How are they imposing anything on anyone? Are you forced to get gay married? Check the title of this topic, for one! Read the OP article! The Anglican Church was divided due to gay demands that they be accepted! Edited July 15, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Rights that hurt others must be challenged. Your right stops the moment it steps on someone else's rights! Abortion is an act of murder! If you want to pursue abortion discussion - create a separate thread for it. We don't want to hijack this thread. Abortion is a right, as deemed by the Supreme Court. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Your rights are not infringed by someone getting an abortion. You can choose not to buy beer on Sunday and you can choose not to get gay married. None of these infringe any of your rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Check the title of this topic, for one! Read the OP article! The Anglican Church was divided due to gay demands that they be accepted! No one forced the Anglican Church to do anything. They changed it themselves. Anglicans changed the Anglican doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpwozney Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 No one forced the Anglican Church to do anything. They changed it themselves. Anglicans changed the Anglican doctrine. Did you read the original posting in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 It's the usage of the term, "marriage," that was bitterly fought. Do you oppose the use of the term "marriage" in civil and non Judeo-Christian religions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Did you read the original posting in this thread? So please tell me what I got wrong in my post. Did armed gays crash the vote and force the Anglicans to vote for gay marriage? How did "the gays" unduly influence the Anglican Church, or force the church into doing anything it didn't wish to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Did armed gays crash the vote and force the Anglicans to vote for gay marriage? Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpwozney Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 No one forced the Anglican Church to do anything. They changed it themselves. Anglicans changed the Anglican doctrine. The original posting in this topic thread provides the following quote from this article. "The resolution still needs affirmation by the next synod in 2019 before it becomes church law." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Religions don't own words. Atheists can marry as well, with no religious connotations whatsoever. How are they imposing anything on anyone? Are you forced to get gay married? Religious slave owners also used the bible to justify owning slaves. I don't deny it. But since we've become more secular, society has improved significantly. I can buy beer on Sunday's... Gays people aren't arrested for doing nothing but be gay... Etc, etc. That's true... Abortion rights... Gay rights.... My right to buy beer on a Sunday.... The religious have to respect those rights now where they didn't before. Squid, review the past exchanges between us from a couple or three pages past. How many times have I shown and given evidence that.......you're ignorant in a lot of issues you've been bringing up? Heck, you don't even know much about Canadian heritage! You're just full of beans. Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Do you oppose the use of the term "marriage" in civil and non Judeo-Christian religions? In this society - which is founded on Christian values - the usage of the term "marriage," must be only for the union of a man and a woman - as defined by the Judeo-Christian God! If gays want to have a union, and live as equivalent to a married couple - they ought to come up with their own term for their union! They could even call it Prideful Union for all I care! Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) I agree. I fully support the right of anyone to live by their beliefs, as long as they don't expect anyone else at all to do so. If that's your opinion, then you should start a protest to restore the definition of marriage to its traditional meaning! Or at least, be on the side of those arguing for it. Canada's origin as a society is steeped in Christianity! Canada, as we know it today, was founded by Christians! The term, "marriage," which is of utmost importance to Christians, has been hijacked by Gay Rights advocates, who continue to bully their way to religion! Homosexuals (and their supporters), shouldn't enforce their lifestyle on Christians! They can go on ahead and have their union with whomever they please - just leave Christianity out of it! Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Abortion is a right, as deemed by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is wrong! It bowed down and conformed to popular demand. In our society, the unborn - a human being that's going through its natural development - had always enjoyed the same rights as any other born children! He was regarded as a child, even in his unborn state. DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD [Proclaimed by General Assembly Resolution 1386(XIV) of 20 November 1959. This was the basis of the basis of the Convention of the Rights of the Child adopted by the UN General Assembly 30 years later on 20 November 1989.The Convention on the Rights of the Child wasentered into force on 2 September 1990. Whereas the child, by reason of his physical andmental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth, Principle 2 The child shall enjoy special protection, and shall be given opportunities and facilities, by law and by other means, to enable him to develop physically, mentally, morally, spiritually and socially in a healthy and normal manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity. In the enactment of laws for this purpose, the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration. Principle 4 The child shall enjoy the benefits of social security. He shall be entitled to grow and develop in health; to this end, special care and protection shall be provided both to him and to his mother,including adequate pre-natal and post-natal care. http://www.unicef.org/malaysia/1959-Declaration-of-the-Rights-of-the-Child.pdf Of course they revised that Declaration! What this society had done to the unborn is similar to what Hitler had done to the Jews: the unborn was stripped of his humanity! If there's any society that's displayed the height of hypocrisy - it's these so-called "civilized" nations who opted to sanction the slaughter of its own! You guys who support abortion, don't know what hypocrisy means when you lecture about barbarism, love, and equality! The lot of pro-choice supporters are sheeples - they're following a cause they hardly understand! Or, they don't care at all about the unborn. . If your status can be changed - if you can be stripped of your humanity for any reason they may cite - then, there is no real protection! Your rights are protected only when the majority of society thinks it should. Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 In our culture, traditional marriage is the union between a man and a woman's property and status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) If that's your opinion, then you should start a protest to restore the definition of marriage to its traditional meaning! Or at least, be on the side of those arguing for it. Canada's origin as a society is steeped in Christianity! Canada, as we know it today, was founded by Christians! The term, "marriage," which is of utmost importance to Christians, has been hijacked by Gay Rights advocates, who continue to bully their way to religion! Homosexuals (and their supporters), shouldn't enforce their lifestyle on Christians! They can go on ahead and have their union with whomever they please - just leave Christianity out of it! That's your belief, and I fully support your right to live by it. Edited July 16, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) In this society We can't even remotely say that Japan is founded on Judeo-Christian values. Are couples there allowed to be married? What about gay couples? What about if they immigrate to Canada? Edited July 16, 2016 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) In our culture, traditional marriage is the union between a man and a woman's property and status. Did it say anywhere that this union can be between anyone other than a man and a woman? No. Whatever other entailments there are - it's still a union between a man and a woman! Union between a man and a woman! That's the point! Focus. Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) That's your belief, and I fully support your right to live by it. My belief? What? You don't believe that Christianity played a major role in shaping up Canada? http://www.ccheritage.ca/facts/ Edited July 16, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) My belief? What? You don't believe that Christianity played a major role in shaping up Canada? http://www.ccheritage.ca/facts/ It matters not one whit what I believe. I support your right to live by what you believe, as long as you don't expect anyone else to, who doesn't want to. Edited July 17, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) It matters not one whit what I believe. I support your right to live by what you believe, as long as you don't ecpect anyone else to, who doesn't want to. Does that also apply to homosexuals? That they have the right to live the way they want as long as they don't impose their lifestyle on a religion, such as a church, or a religious person? And also to secularists - those that don't believe in religion or God - that they don't impose their own ideology on a religious person, or the church? As an example, they want to impose their views on feminism! We see them interfering and wanting for churches to recognize and ordain female ministers, or to recognize same-sex marriage when it's contrary to the religious belief. Edited July 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Does that also apply to homosexuals? That they have the right to live the way they want as long as they don't impose their lifestyle on a religion, such as a church, or a religious person? And also to secularists - those that don't believe in religion or God - that they don't impose their own ideology on a religious person, or the church? As an example, they want to impose their views on feminism! We see them interfering and wanting for churches to recognize and ordain female ministers, or to recognize same-sex marriage when it's contrary to the religious belief. It absolutely does apply to all those people. (Please change that c to an x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 It absolutely does apply to all those people. (Please change that c to an x) Well then I'm glad you think that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 If that's your opinion, then you should start a protest to restore the definition of marriage to its traditional meaning! Or at least, be on the side of those arguing for it. Canada's origin as a society is steeped in Christianity! Canada, as we know it today, was founded by Christians! The term, "marriage," which is of utmost importance to Christians, has been hijacked by Gay Rights advocates, who continue to bully their way to religion! Homosexuals (and their supporters), shouldn't enforce their lifestyle on Christians! They can go on ahead and have their union with whomever they please - just leave Christianity out of it! Marriage existed long before Christianity did and is not an exclusively, or even primarily, Christian institution. Marriage is practiced in every country on the planet, including many with very limited or non-existent exposure to Christianity. Marriage has nothing to do with Christianity and Christians trying to claim some kind of ownership of the institution of marriage is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Marriage existed long before Christianity did and is not an exclusively, or even primarily, Christian institution. Marriage is practiced in every country on the planet, including many with very limited or non-existent exposure to Christianity. Marriage has nothing to do with Christianity. So what if marriage had existed long before Christianity! Who said it didn't? Where do you think Christianity's belief about marriage come from? The OLD TESTAMENT! How old do you think the narratives from the Old Testament are, prior to being written? The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let's start at the beginning of this fascinating story. The first five books of the Bible are attributed to Moses and are commonly called the Pentateuch (literally "five scrolls"). Moses lived between 1500 and 1300 BC, though he recounts events in the first eleven chapters of the Bible that occurred long before his time (such as the creation and the flood). These earliest accounts were handed on from generation to generation in songs, narratives, and poetry. In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy. http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/bible-faqs/when-was-the-bible-written/ and Christians trying to claim some kind of ownership of the institution of marriage is absurd. The traditional meaning of marriage came from Christianity! The traditional marriage that is practiced in Canada came from Christianity. That's a fact! Furthermore, it's in accordance with the teachings of Christ - which was derived from the Old Testament! So, why shouldn't Christians lay claim to it? Edited July 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) The traditional meaning of marriage came from Christianity! The traditional marriage that is practiced in Canada came from Christianity. That's a fact! Furthermore, it's in accordance with the teachings of Christ - which was derived from the Old Testament! So, why shouldn't Christians lay claim to it? Ancient cultures practiced marriage long before the bible.Canada recognizes marriage whether you're atheist, or religious, or gay. It's secular marriage sanctioned by the state. Edited July 18, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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