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Bryan · July 7, 2016

b.t.w. putting the qualifier 'want' is interesting. Are you implying we have no control over our wants, or that our wants should be set (heavily influenced) by someone/thing external to ourselves?

Some people are easily influenced, others are more independent. There's no one answer. Everyone has free will to decide though.

My understanding of the thread is that God is changing people, with a strong implication that is better (ie. they need changing).

That would be the same for any thoughts or behaviour that might be getting in their way of a desire to get closer to GOD. It's still up to them to decide if that's what they want to pursue.

WestCoastRunner · July 7, 2016

Some people are easily influenced, others are more independent. There's no one answer. Everyone has free will to decide though.

That would be the same for any thoughts or behaviour that might be getting in their way of a desire to get closer to GOD. It's still up to them to decide if that's what they want to pursue.

So a gay person has to be celibate and live a life without sex to get closer to GOD. That's messed up.

jacee · July 7, 2016

People change their sexual attractions ALL OF THE TIME. Used to really be into asians, now he likes redheads. Used to like bodybuilders, now she likes heroin-chic. The wife used to really do it for him, now he likes his secretary better. Used to be a leg man, now big boobs are all the does it for him. Used to like college girls, now MILFs turn him on. Used to like boys, now likes girls. Etc. Etc.

I don't care. They can do what they want. This thread is about the fact that people can change if they want to, not about making anyone do something they don't want to.

It's about changing the gender you're attracted to.

Which doesn't happen.

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?Impact · July 7, 2016

How many 60-something would still prefer doing it in the backseat?

40 some years ago the backseat, and even the front seat, was a comfortable place to do it. Even in the large SUVs, you rarely find a bench seat anymore. I blame that loss on the Japanese.

GostHacked · July 7, 2016

At the age of 12, if you'd seen a porn mag of two men having sex - it will affect you.

How can it not? You're at that age!

Now Betsy, this is what men do when they are in love (ha) , that's how I would explain it to a 12 year old.

I had a school teacher who left his family because he no longer could deny that he was gay. Talk about a transformation.

cybercoma · July 7, 2016

So a gay person has to be celibate and live a life without sex to get closer to GOD. That's messed up.

Who cares? God is dead.

?Impact · July 7, 2016

God is dead.

So you believe there once was a God?

cybercoma · July 7, 2016

Who cares what I believe?

WestCoastRunner · July 8, 2016

Who cares? God is dead.

Well I am trying to follow their logic as hard as it has become. It is also great to bring their darkness out into the light. The more that people speak out against homophobia on whatever platform they can, the better.

It's extremely disturbing to hear this kind of chatter.

The latest from this thread or maybe one of her other threads is that now the devil has caused these people to turn 'gay'.

Absolutely disgusting.

July 8, 2016

So you believe there once was a God?

Of course! What do you think all those things on Easter Island are for?

Moonlight Graham · July 8, 2016

We heard of girls in boarding schools having erotic pleasures with one another - it's a sexual experimentation in most adolescents, especially at the stage of sexual awareness.....and it will be irresponsible to label them all as bisexuals and lesbians

Why would it be irresponsible? If they liked it, they liked it.

Now yes, there can be things like a traumatic experience that I could see someone being turned off of one gender or another if they're bisexual. I believe sexual desire to be unconscious, not conscious (ie: choice). Freud's theories were largely based on the unconscious sexual desires we have.

Quite honestly I think most people have some desires for both sexes, though one is usually dominant and the other often repressed & unexplored due to social stigma. IMO everyone operates on a spectrum of sexuality, & not where you're either rigidly hetero, homo, or bi. Girl A could be 80% attracted to men, 20% to women. Girl B could be 5% for men, 95% towards women. Girl C could be 50 men, 50 women etc., and infinite combinations.

Moonlight Graham · July 8, 2016

That does not mean you're born gay! There is no conclusive evidence to that.

Well I agree that it's likely a combo of genetic and/or upbringing. But your sexuality is determined when you're a child, before puberty, usually when you're very young. unless there's significant psychological trauma later on in life.

On the whole, I don't know why you'd even want to change your sexuality. It infers that there's something wrong with loving someone of the opposite sex, but that hurts nobody. With consent, a man putting his penis inside another's man's anus hurts nobody. Men kissing men hurts nobody. So why do people care? It's none of our damn business, and certainly not the state's business, or religious "authorities", to tell us who we should and shouldn't love. There's nothing immoral about people loving each other, in fact it's wonderful. Denying someone that right is what should be criminal, not the other way around. In fact I can think of few worse crimes than denying somebody the ability to love, especially openly & without shame, guilt, & social disgust by family, friends, workplace & wider society.

It's says a lot about our society when we can watch violence on TV and we enjoy it, but when we see 2 men kissing on TV some of us are repelled in disgust. What are our damn priorities?

July 8, 2016

Why would it be irresponsible? If they liked it, they liked it.

Now yes, there can be things like a traumatic experience that I could see someone being turned off of one gender or another if they're bisexual. I believe sexual desire to be unconscious, not conscious (ie: choice). Freud's theories were largely based on the unconscious sexual desires we have.

Quite honestly I think most people have some desires for both sexes, though one is usually dominant and the other often repressed & unexplored due to social stigma. IMO everyone operates on a spectrum of sexuality, & not where you're either rigidly hetero, homo, or bi. Girl A could be 80% attracted to men, 20% to women. Girl B could be 5% for men, 95% towards women. Girl C could be 50 men, 50 women etc., and infinite combinations.

Well said, but then again your hands are not tied by ancient writings attributed to an all powerful fairy tale systematically enforced and protected by a brainwashed culture. Those who have been made to subscribe to a religion are not free to come to a different conclusion than, gay is bad.

As per your earlier post, it is certainly interesting and scary to see the open and twisted thoughts of the faithful. I used to cringe when people like Lawrence Krauss would state that religious indoctrination is child abuse; but, I now think he makes a very solid point.

July 8, 2016

Well I agree that it's likely a combo of genetic and/or upbringing. But your sexuality is determined when you're a child, before puberty, usually when you're very young. unless there's significant psychological trauma later on in life.

On the whole, I don't know why you'd even want to change your sexuality. It infers that there's something wrong with loving someone of the opposite sex, but that hurts nobody. With consent, a man putting his penis inside another's man's anus hurts nobody. Men kissing men hurts nobody. So why do people care? It's none of our damn business, and certainly not the state's business, or religious "authorities", to tell us who we should and shouldn't love. There's nothing immoral about people loving each other, in fact it's wonderful. Denying someone that right is what should be criminal, not the other way around. In fact I can think of few worse crimes than denying somebody the ability to love, especially openly & without shame, guilt, & social disgust by family, friends, workplace & wider society.

It's says a lot about our society when we can watch violence on TV and we enjoy it, but when we see 2 men kissing on TV some of us are repelled in disgust. What are our damn priorities?

Slow clap... Actually, forget that I am doing the wave for you now!

cybercoma · July 8, 2016

Well I am trying to follow their logic as hard as it has become. It is also great to bring their darkness out into the light. The more that people speak out against homophobia on whatever platform they can, the better.

It's extremely disturbing to hear this kind of chatter.

The latest from this thread or maybe one of her other threads is that now the devil has caused these people to turn 'gay'.

Absolutely disgusting.

The logic is this. Some made up BS says gay people are bad. End of story. There's no reason and nothing rational about it. It's like discussing quantum physics with someone who not only doesn't study it but doesn't believe in it. There's nothing you can say to that person to get them to understand. You can lead a horse to water but you can't drink it for her. Edited July 8, 2016 by cybercoma

jacee · July 8, 2016

Well said, but then again your hands are not tied by ancient writings attributed to an all powerful fairy tale systematically enforced and protected by a brainwashed culture. Those who have been made to subscribe to a religion are not free to come to a different conclusion than, gay is bad.

As per your earlier post, it is certainly interesting and scary to see the open and twisted thoughts of the faithful. I used to cringe when people like Lawrence Krauss would state that religious indoctrination is child abuse; but, I now think he makes a very solid point.

Slow clap.

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betsy · July 8, 2016

40 some years ago the backseat, and even the front seat, was a comfortable place to do it. Even in the large SUVs, you rarely find a bench seat anymore. I blame that loss on the Japanese.

Well, it still becomes a factor for changed preferences.

Even the changing times - like compact cars - can become a factor for change of preference. Some may still want to make do with Japanese backseats.

No doubt, the way our society regard sexual preferences this days - that it's very much normal to be bisexual, as an example - will become a major factor why we'll have more people dabbling in bisexuality.

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I don't know much about the culture in India, but obviously there's a reason why rape by groups of men, is so prevalent in that country. There are factors that contributed to that kind of sexual preference.

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 8, 2016

Now Betsy, this is what men do when they are in love (ha) , that's how I would explain it to a 12 year old.

I had a school teacher who left his family because he no longer could deny that he was gay. Talk about a transformation.

We're not talking about asking questions! When you're 12, perusing a porn mag is done secretly!

Unless you're being raised in a very sexually-open environment (which include you can watch porn to your heart's content), asking your mom about the porn mag you've read....will be the last thing you'd want to do.

When I say "affect you," it means you could be influenced by it because obviously, porn mags' pics are designed to TITILLIATE sexual desires! It's normal for any youth to be sexually aroused by erotic materials!

It's bad enough when they come across explicit sex between heterosexuals and gays at that age.....but imagine them getting titilliated by real sick materials like sado-masochism. They could end up being like the sickos they saw in those magazines!

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 8, 2016

Now Betsy, this is what men do when they are in love (ha) , that's how I would explain it to a 12 year old.

Then, you're lying to your 12-year old. You're giving him a wrong idea about love!

You're saying all those porn pictures are depictions of love! You've associated porn with love! Wow.

No wonder we got so many youth getting preyed on the internet. Youths that are seeking love are getting duped into stripping and doing sex acts on skype! All for the sake of "love!"

In other words, you've just convoluted love and lust - and your boy won't know the difference between the two!

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 8, 2016

Why would it be irresponsible? If they liked it, they liked it.

Automatically labelling anyone without knowing much about them, and the factors involved - is irresponsible.

If you see a 13 year old having a relationship with a 30-year old man - would you say, that's normal?

Would you say, "Oh he/she likes it. If they like it, they like it." Is that your position on this?

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 8, 2016

Now yes, there can be things like a traumatic experience that I could see someone being turned off of one gender or another if they're bisexual.

You don't think it could be that they were just experimenting on sexuality? That they're not really bisexual? That it's just part of an adventurous stage, especially at an early age when they're just becoming aware of sexuality?

betsy · July 8, 2016

Quite honestly I think most people have some desires for both sexes, though one is usually dominant and the other often repressed & unexplored due to social stigma. IMO everyone operates on a spectrum of sexuality, & not where you're either rigidly hetero, homo, or bi. Girl A could be 80% attracted to men, 20% to women. Girl B could be 5% for men, 95% towards women. Girl C could be 50 men, 50 women etc., and infinite combinations.

Puberty, I think that's when kids have this conflicting sexuality. But you tend to grow out of it.

That's why it's dangerous that our school system interferes to what kids normally go through, by injecting these ideas about different sexual preferences.

It's one thing for a woman to admire another woman - but the thing now is that, the LGBT propaganda turns that admiration into something sexual, when in fact it's all just pure appreciation of how the other woman looks.

Like, I could appreciate a beautiful woman without thinking of having sex with her!

Pro-gays/lesbians would want to promote that appreciation, to indicate I am a latent lesbian.

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 8, 2016

Well I agree that it's likely a combo of genetic and/or upbringing. But your sexuality is determined when you're a child, before puberty, usually when you're very young.

Yes. But puberty is a confusing time - it's also the time for sexual awareness.

Puberty: Onset of Sexual Awareness

Puberty is, technically, the time when secondary sexual characteristics appear. On an average, a child enters a period of accelerated growth just prior to pubescence. With puberty begins adolescence, the transitional phase between childhood and adulthood.

Psychological Changes

Puberty is often considered to be a stormy period because the child suddenly develops a sex drive and its horizons broaden. This generates anxiety and may provoke defensive behaviour, which may, in extreme cases, lead to delinquency. The more common reaction is conflict or defiance towards adult authority as with parents and teachers.

During this period, there is a strong natural desire to read love stories and books that narrate sexual acts explicitly.

http://www.webhealthcentre.com/HealthyLiving/sexual_medicine_pub.aspx

Not to be confused with gender roles, or knowing the difference between male/female.

Kids are also very curious about body parts.

Gender awareness. By age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. This awareness is called gender identity. Kids this age start to understand the difference between boys and girls, and can identify themselves as one or the other. Some people think gender identity is biologically determined and some say it's a product of a child's environment. Most likely, it's a combination of both.

And at this age kids begin to associate certain behaviors, called gender roles, with being male or female. Gender roles are culturally derived.

http://kidshealth.org/en/parents/development.html#

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · July 8, 2016

Betsy, when did you choose to be a straight woman?

GostHacked · July 8, 2016

Then, you're lying to your 12-year old. You're giving him a wrong idea about love!

You're saying all those porn pictures are depictions of love! You've associated porn with love! Wow.

No wonder we got so many youth getting preyed on the internet. Youths that are seeking love are getting duped into stripping and doing sex acts on skype! All for the sake of "love!"

In other words, you've just convoluted love and lust - and your boy won't know the difference between the two!

Well the real kicker is , you are not going to find love in a porn mag. And many adults don't know the difference between lust and love.