Bonam Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Well in fairness that situation was created by bungled policy in Iraq and Syria on the part of Canada and its allies. If you break it you bought it? How much for Syria? I hear there are some people in the area looking for extra land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 In all fairness this stuff been going on over there, long before Canada and the US were even countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 In all fairness this stuff been going on over there, long before Canada and the US were even countries. Yeah but at least people were getting murdered and raped by proper soldiers reporting to military dictators, not disorganized gangs of "terrorists". There's a big difference between uncivilized murdering and raping, and civilized murdering and raping ya know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 How much for Syria? I hear there are some people in the area looking for extra land. I wouldn't give you a dime for the whole middle east, nor would I spend a single dime on doing anything there. Unfortunately both conservative and liberal governments with global socialist agendas think its more important to spend my money building a road or a school in ass-crack-istan than it is to build one here for my kids to go to or for me to drive on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I wouldn't give you a dime for the whole middle east, nor would I spend a single dime on doing anything there. Unfortunately both conservative and liberal governments with global socialist agendas think its more important to spend my money building a road or a school in ass-crack-istan than it is to build one here for my kids to go to or for me to drive on. Because paving your street matters more than brutal rapes or murders. Could we defer the line painting on that new road and help a couple of them out maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Well in fairness that situation was created by bungled policy in Iraq and Syria on the part of Canada and its allies. If you break it you bought it? I find the paternalistic reflex of the left to ascribe all that ails the third world to westerners to be more than slightly contemptible. To listen to the Left none of these people bear any responsibility for the way their countries wind up in the toilet. None of it is their fault for they're like innocent children, constantly abused by those evil white people. I guess if you don't have white skin you don't have the brains to run your own affairs nor any kind of moral compass to tell you that slaughtering your countrymen is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Because paving your street matters more than brutal rapes or murders. Could we defer the line painting on that new road and help a couple of them out maybe? can we defer the purchase of your "at all costs - whatever it costs" F-35?... maybe purchase a "gap-filling interim" alternate at a significantly reduced price.... and help a couple of them out maybe? Because doing so matters, as you say, more than brutal rapes or murders. Didja catch that... didja see what I did there? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Because paving your street matters more than brutal rapes or murders. Could we defer the line painting on that new road and help a couple of them out maybe? Maybe if I thought it would actually work. But considering the murdering and raping is a direct result of our bungling in the first place, changes are the socialist do-gooders who want me to pay to fix these problems will just jack things up over there even worse. Since you think its such a worthy cause though... Write a check, and send it to the federal government with letter asking the money be earmarked for the middle east. Or send some money to one of the many NGO's that do work in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Maybe if I thought it would actually work. But considering the murdering and raping is a direct result of our bungling in the first place, changes are the socialist do-gooders who want me to pay to fix these problems will just jack things up over there even worse. Since you think its such a worthy cause though... Write a check, and send it to the federal government with letter asking the money be earmarked for the middle east. Or send some money to one of the many NGO's that do work in the region. Can I send one to your local municipality Public Works so your personal priorities are met too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 can we defer the purchase of your "at all costs - whatever it costs" F-35?... maybe purchase a "gap-filling interim" alternate at a significantly reduced price.... and help a couple of them out maybe? Because doing so matters, as you say, more than brutal rapes or murders. Didja catch that... didja see what I did there? absolutely, the purchase of F35s and all other fighter aircraft must be deferred until an open and transparent competition and assessment of the options. That is what our Prime Minister promised, and that is what I expect to see happen. Of course, Canada must not 'sole source' fighter purchases, another promise from our current PM. Helping out other people need not exclude a strategic assessment of fighter capability. I did see you scamper over from another thread and shift the goalposts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I find the paternalistic reflex of the left to ascribe all that ails the third world to westerners to be more than slightly contemptible. To listen to the Left none of these people bear any responsibility for the way their countries wind up in the toilet. None of it is their fault for they're like innocent children, constantly abused by those evil white people. I guess if you don't have white skin you don't have the brains to run your own affairs nor any kind of moral compass to tell you that slaughtering your countrymen is wrong. Cool story bro! The problem here is this isn't some vague claim that western influence destabilized the region. The existence of ISIL and the power vacuum left in Iraq after toppling the previous dictatorship is a DIRECT and PREDICTABLE result of our actions. As far as it being their own responsibility to deal with their own problems and run their nations better, I couldn't agree more which is exactly why I advocating that we stop trying to "fix" everything for them. But in any case, since we DID topple the Iraqi government creating a power vacuum that ISIL emerged from, and since we DID sponsor terrorism against the Syrian government we probably SHOULD take in some refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Since you think its such a worthy cause though... Write a check, and send it to the federal government with letter asking the money be earmarked for Military intervention in the middle east. If we (including US, Britain, etc.) did that, then there would never have been a problem to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 So dre we have 2 types of rape and only one is worth defending. Who cares who is doing it, rape is rape, murder is murder. This is not the Canada I was born in. What did trudeau promise the Muslims with his secret meetings he held during the election. To look the other way and not get involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 can we defer the purchase of your "at all costs - whatever it costs" F-35?... maybe purchase a "gap-filling interim" alternate at a significantly reduced price.... and help a couple of them out maybe? Because doing so matters, as you say, more than brutal rapes or murders. Didja catch that... didja see what I did there? . Sorry, I didn't answer the question you pleadingly begged for twice in the same post. Yes, I did see what you did. Yesterday you were denying that was going to be an 'interim' purchase of Super Hornets. Today you are acknowledging that there will be one, and appear to be desperately seeking a reason for that profoundly ignorant and blatantly partisan decision by a man you love in ways we can only imagine. Stickhandling through dumb and contradictory electoral promises with expensive and sole source purchases of second rate and ageing fighter(discounts available for bulk purchases!!!) will cost every Canadian something better. This is some big league Reprofiling for sure. Let me know what you come up with on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Let me know what you come up with on that front. take it to the right thread and I'll continue letting you know... as I am in that very thread. Somehow, you're conveniently choosing to ignore parts of my "letting you know" - go figure. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Military intervention in the middle east. If we (including US, Britain, etc.) did that, then there would never have been a problem to begin with. Seriously? The middle east has been a den of corrupt dictators, warlords and religious fanatics for two thousand years. It's been back and forth warring the entire time, too. But no, it's not THEIR fault. It's the fault of those evil white people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Seriously? The middle east has been a den of corrupt dictators, warlords and religious fanatics for two thousand years. It's been back and forth warring the entire time, too. But no, it's not THEIR fault. It's the fault of those evil white people! Iraq was under a STABLE dictatorship and all these minorities (Yazidi girls now being sex slaves included) were relatively safe (as long as they didn't oppose the dictator). There was no civil war between Shia and Sunnis and many hundreds or thousands were not being killed in car bombs and explosions every month. People were living under dictatorship but relatively safe and their lives were secure as long as they didn't oppose the dictator. IT WAS THE US INVASION in 2003 that brought up all these instabilities and tragedies and tens of thousands likely hundreds of thousands have been killed since. Removal and later execution of the dictator was pleasant but a good majority of Iraqis (including the poor yazidi girls) are paying a high price for the destruction of invisible weapons of mass destruction. . Edited July 12, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Any suggestions for the government how to best locate and bring in these defenseless refugees to Canada? Go to their towns/villages with a helicopter and ask if they want to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Go to their towns/villages with a helicopter and ask if they want to come? Thank you for your helpful comment . From what I have read (and I could be wrong) there are many thousands who have fled and now are displaced living in camps but if terrorists capture more territories then they would fall victims to sex slavery too. May be at this time we can at least help to relocate those who are outside ISIS captivity and can leave through usual means. I am not an expert of refugee relocation or settlement but same procedure that all those adult Syrian refugees were relocated and settled in Canada can apply to these displaced people but only the girls given priority since they are the most in danger. Edited June 16, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Iraq was under a STABLE dictatorship (the mass murderer Saddam Hussein) and all these minorities (Yazidi girls now being sex slaves included) were relatively safe (as long as they didn't oppose the dictator). There was no civil war between Shia and Sunnis and many hundreds or thousands were not being killed ..... This is patently false, as Saddam's strategy to maintain power was to leverage conflict between Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish populations. Canada actually sponsored and enforced crippling sanctions against Iraq long before the 2003 invasion. And there was a Shia - Sunni war with .....Iran. "Yazidi girls" were/are just part of the mix....the Kurdish part: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140809-iraq-yazidis-minority-isil-religion-history/ Edited June 15, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) This is patently false, as Saddam's strategy to maintain power was to leverage conflict between Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish populations. Canada actually sponsored and enforced crippling sanctions against Iraq long before the 2003 invasion. And there was a Shia - Sunni war with .....Iran. "Yazidi girls" were just part of the mix.... This is patently false. Under Saddan Hussein Iraq was stable. Whenever there was a rebellion (like shia one in 1991 or Kurdish ones over many years) he sent an army to repress and destroy rebellion but never a constant daily civil war with bombs exploding almost every day and potentially everywhere with minorities captured by a group and sex slaved. The Iran-Iraq was (which was for oil territory of Iranian province and more like historic Arab-Persian animosity than a religious war between shia and Sunnis) ENDED in 1988 long before the 2003 US invasion. Again any suggestions on how Canada can practically help these victims (or future sex slaves) to be located and brought to Canada? If they are in refugee camps around Iraq and Syria then I don't see why not same way that the 25000 capable Syrian adults were brought in. Edited June 15, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Iraq was under a STABLE dictatorship (the mass murderer Saddam Hussein) Just like Yugoslavia was under the STABLE dictatorship of Tito. And then Tito died. Are you operating under the belief Hussein was immortal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Again any suggestions on how Canada can practically help these victims (or future sex slaves) to be located and brought to Canada? I Well, Harper wanted to do that but you voted Trudeau instead. Apparently Trudeau doesn't care. Maybe you should go back in time and vote Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 ....Again any suggestions on how Canada can practically help these victims (or future sex slaves) to be located and brought to Canada? If they are in refugee camps around Iraq and Syria then I don't see why not same way that the 25000 capable Syrian adults were brought in. Yes...Canada can sponsor and facilitate "truth and reconcilaition hearings" in Iraq, after helping to find all the mass graves from Saddam's peaceful and stable rule. Admit all the Iraqi refugees and give them the same great deal as First Nations got over the past 150 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Just like Yugoslavia was under the STABLE dictatorship of Tito. And then Tito died. Are you operating under the belief Hussein was immortal? Well, Harper wanted to do that but you voted Trudeau instead. Apparently Trudeau doesn't care. Maybe you should go back in time and vote Conservative. No I think the situation was different with Saddam as one of his colleague dictators from Baath party would have replaced him the same way that he replaced Albakr when he died two decades earlier. Yes I voted Trudeau because of many good policies that he promised and he has lived up to them and I am still happy with him and will vote for him again if elections held today. His government in general. Compare to corrupt scandalist government of Harper is A+ and he and his government are doing great. One case among hundreds other policies don't change my vote. However, that doesn't mean that I won't criticize him if he does wrong and in this case he is wrong. Instead of giving priority to some mid-east refugees with most of them having a totally different culture than most of Canadians he must give priority to these defenseless women who are being or will be sex slaves NOW before it is too late Edited June 15, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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