overthere Posted June 13, 2016 Report Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) You can't figure out which god was inserted into the anthem? You think it might have been Allah that was put in there in 1914? No, I cannot. There are no adjectives in the anthem. And Allah, is, praise the Prophet, simply an Aramaic and now Arabic word for 'God'. Did you think a Muslim or Jew or Christian bellowing it out at a hockey game or a citizenship ceremony was differentiating? God is God to the major religions. Only the Prophets differ. We are diverse. Didn't you know that? Edited June 13, 2016 by overthere Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
The_Squid Posted June 13, 2016 Report Posted June 13, 2016 So it wasn't Zeus? Are you sure? Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Guest Posted June 13, 2016 Report Posted June 13, 2016 It was Odin, but that's beside the point. It's Zeus now. If I can pick my washroom, I can pick my God. Quote
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Posted June 13, 2016 What about the rest of the cheesy, sexist, religious lyrics ? God must be very popular in Canada ! O Canada! Where pines and maples grow. Great prairies spread and lordly rivers flow. How dear to us thy broad domain, From East to Western sea. Thou land of hope for all who toil! Thou True North, strong and free! Well, we have God and the Americans have war. Which is easier to live with? But I do particularly like The Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse, sending slaves to their grave: And where is that band who so vauntingly swore That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion, A home and a country, should leave us no more? Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave: And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave, O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. .... Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Change "God keep our land" to "Humans keep our land". That's racist. Animals live here too. They are the true natives of Canada. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 That's racist. Animals live here too. They are the true natives of Canada. Specist? Quote
Smallc Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 No it is time for Canadians to have a talk with all our politicians , about wasting valuable time in parliament on issues that do nothing for this nation, or it's people. The time would have been spent on other, very important (wink, wink) private members bills. Quote
Smallc Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 No, there's nothing about it that sounds wrong, especially given the history of this country. And I'm particularly religious. In the past, I would have chalked that up to a mistype. I actually believe you. Quote
Smallc Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 You can t be any more sure that God is fictitious than those people who believe that there is a greater being. Well, actually, you can. There is no evidence that God exists. There is ample evidence for how the universe actually works. Quote
Smallc Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) In days of yore, from Britain's shore, Wolfe, the dauntless hero, came And planted firm Britannia's flag On Canada's fair domain. Here may it wave, our boast, our pride And, joined in love together, The thistle, shamrock, rose entwine The Maple Leaf forever! The Maple Leaf, our emblem dear, The Maple Leaf forever! God save our Queen and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf forever! It is my belief that we should change our anthem to this - no joke. It wouldn't go over well in Quebec though so.... Edited June 14, 2016 by Smallc Quote
Smallc Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 It was Odin, but that's beside the point. It's Zeus now. If I can pick my washroom, I can pick my God. Quoted FTW Quote
Guest Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) It was Odin, but that's beside the point. It's Zeus now. If I can pick my washroom, I can pick my God. Quoted FTW The win indeed. We have the freedom to choose from a plethora of gods with a plethora of names, or none at all in this, free and secular country. Including a plea to a deity in our anthem just doesn't make sense and excludes many. Edited June 14, 2016 by Guest Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 The win indeed. We have the freedom to choose from a plethora of gods with a plethora of names, or none at all in this, free and secular country. Including a plea to a deity in our anthem just doesn't make sense and excludes many. If that's the stumbling point, how about replacing "God" with "Gods"...and place "thy sons command" with "thy owns command" - this ought to appeal to the self indulgent millennials. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Guest Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Quoted FTW How do you mean, FTW? By that I mean, is it good or bad...? Edited June 15, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 It is my belief that we should change our anthem to this - no joke. It wouldn't go over well in Quebec though so.... Certainly a better melody. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) If that's the stumbling point, how about replacing "God" with "Gods"...and place "thy sons command" with "thy owns command" - this ought to appeal to the self indulgent millennials. Why include religion in a national anthem at all? Especially in a secular nation. Edited June 15, 2016 by Guest Quote
Smallc Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 How do you mean, FTW? By that I mean, is it good or bad...? Definitely a good thing. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Why include religion in a national anthem at all? Especially in a secular nation. It was a joke, I'm sure you know my position on the issue. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Definitely a good thing. Ah, honoured. I'll get the hang of this interweb thing eventually... Quote
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Why include religion in a national anthem at all? Especially in a secular nation. What reason do you have to believe that Canada is a secular nation? First sentence of our Constitution/Charter: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 What reason do you have to believe that Canada is a secular nation? First sentence of our Constitution/Charter: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" Which is contrary to section 2 of the charter which protects the freedom of conscience. In 1999, the BC court of appeals referred to the charter preamble as a "dead letter". Anyway, a secular state is one that neither favours religion or irreligion, which is true of Canada. Quote
The_Squid Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) What reason do you have to believe that Canada is a secular nation? First sentence of our Constitution/Charter: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" So you don't think Canada is secular? Do you think the following is untrue of Canada? A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state is or purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.[1] A secular state also claims to treat all its citizens equally regardless of religion, and claims to avoid preferential treatment for a citizen from a particular religion/nonreligion over other religions/nonreligion. Secular states do not have a state religion (established religion) or equivalent, although the absence of a state religion does not necessarily mean that a state is fully secular; however, a true secular state should steadfastly maintain national governance without influence from religious factions; i.e. Separation of church and state.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state Edited June 15, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
overthere Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 So you don't think Canada is secular? No. The Charter is clear an unambiguous. It is common in Western social democracies. You may find that surprising or disturbing, but it is not at all unusual. Sorry, but Wiki definitions and low court decisions are secondary to the Charter. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 What reason do you have to believe that Canada is a secular nation? First sentence of our Constitution/Charter: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" The dictionary definition of whereas is: "in contrast or comparison with the fact that." Maybe the writers of the Charter meant that: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" we aren't going to put too much stock in the God bit. Quote
The_Squid Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) No. The Charter is clear an unambiguous. It is common in Western social democracies. You may find that surprising or disturbing, but it is not at all unusual. Sorry, but Wiki definitions and low court decisions are secondary to the Charter. What's the state religion of Canada? Does one religion have preference over others when it comes to the courts or government? How so? Edited June 15, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
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