Rue Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: How Canada abandoned the Kurds...cut and ran away from a complex battle space it could no longer manage. Now it was Trump's problem....bye bye Canada ! Nice try and distorting and misrepresenting what happened. The Canadian Armed Forces never abandon the Kurds as Trump ordered his soldiers to do. The Canadians did not leave exposing the Kurds. Stop distorting what happened. In fact the Canadian Armed Forces mission ended after ISIS was defeated. Iraqi and Kurdish forces were left. Canada was an equal ally to both and left them talking. The Kurds were never an ally of the Turks ever. They never fought with them ever. The Kurds did not ask Canada to stay neither did the Iraqis. The Kurds asked the US to stay until a better way could be arranged to prevent their exposure to the Turkish forces bent on wiping them out. Canada would have stayed had they been asked. The Kurds were in no imminent danger. Get your facts straight if you are going to defend Trump's cowardly bull shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rue said: https://thekurdishproject.org/history-and-culture/kurdistan-religion/ Hang on. Their version of Sunni Islam is completely different. That is what I should have made more clear. Thank you. One can pretend the YPG is just the local version of the Jaycees...but can we pretend over at your house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Rue said: Nice try and distorting and misrepresenting what happened. The Canadian Armed Forces never abandon the Kurds as Trump ordered his soldiers to do. The Canadians did not leave exposing the Kurds. Stop distorting what happened. In fact the Canadian Armed Forces mission ended after ISIS was defeated. Iraqi and Kurdish forces were left. Canada was an equal ally to both and left That's right...Canada left. Bye-bye ! The McLean's article could not be clearer on the matter, and the decisions by Canada, not Trump. Nice try...but Canada left years ago, never delivered promised arms to the Kurds, and hid behind Iraqi police forces instead. Why does Canada get to decide when the "mission" is over but the USA can't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That's right...Canada left. Bye-bye ! The McLean's article could not be clearer on the matter, and the decisions by Canada, not Trump. Nice try...but Canada left years ago, never delivered promised arms to the Kurds, and hid behind Iraqi police forces instead. Why does Canada get to decide when the "mission" is over but the USA can't ? I think these folks are more in love with the IDEA of Kurd rebels rather than the real McCoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I think these folks are more in love with the IDEA of Kurd rebels rather than the real McCoy. Agreed...it's too complicated for them, so just blame Trump, who had nothing to do with it in the first place. But continue to carry water for President Obama, because.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I think these folks are more in love with the IDEA of Kurd rebels rather than the real McCoy. And I think you and bush should work for trump. Your both pretty good at smudging facts and distorting truths. But those things dont matter anyway. More bling bling for ya'll! Edited October 10, 2019 by Cannucklehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: And I think you and bush should work for trump. Your both pretty good at smudging facts and distorting truths. But those things dont matter anyway. More bling bling for ya'll! Canada abandoned the Kurds years ago....what part of that fact do you not understand ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: And I think you and bush should work for trump. Your both pretty good at smudging facts and distorting truths. But those things dont matter anyway. More bling bling for ya'll! You won't volunteer to fight alongside the Kurds. Neither will Rue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada abandoned the Kurds years ago....what part of that fact do you not understand ? As Rue and myself have tried to explain to your feeble brain, we were there to combat isis. This is not the same thing, but you just cannot understand that, can you? Or maybe you do but your ego refuses to concede? Or maybe your just an @$$? Idk and frankly I dont care. Keep living in your ignorance, see where that takes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: As Rue and myself have tried to explain to your feeble brain, we were there to combat isis. America wasn't there to save the Kurds. That mutual interests put them on the same end of a rifle butt do not translate into a blood pact where US troops fight and die against Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: America wasn't there to save the Kurds. That mutual interests put them on the same end of a rifle butt do not translate into a blood pact where US troops fight and die against Turkey. They wouldn't fight turkey if they stayed since turkey and u.s. are NATO allies. See the problem with the u.s. leaving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said: They wouldn't fight turkey if they stayed since turkey and u.s. are NATO allies. See the problem with the u.s. leaving? Syria is Russia's client state. Russia can save the Kurds. The US shouldn't be there...spheres of influence. It all started with the Percentages Agreement and grew from there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Syria is Russia's client state. Russia can save the Kurds. The US shouldn't be there...spheres of influence. It all started with the Percentages Agreement and grew from there. Yes, and strengthen the Russians. Good night, Comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Cannucklehead said: Yes, and strengthen the Russians. Good night, Comrade. You're free to go join up with the Kurds and fight your Russian & Turkish enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: As Rue and myself have tried to explain to your feeble brain, we were there to combat isis. This is not the same thing, but you just cannot understand that, can you? Or maybe you do but your ego refuses to concede? Or maybe your just an @$$? Idk and frankly I dont care. Keep living in your ignorance, see where that takes you. Personal attacks will not work here....I have been called worse things by better members. Keep begging the Americans to do the job you refuse to continue to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Syria is Russia's client state. Russia can save the Kurds. The US shouldn't be there...spheres of influence. It all started with the Percentages Agreement and grew from there. Yep....Syria belongs to Russia...warm water port....yada, yada, yada. Americans are not going to die to save Syrians. Send them all to Canada ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yep....Syria belongs to Russia...warm water port....yada, yada, yada. Americans are not going to die to save Syrians. Send them all to Canada ! We do have quite a number in this city. Yes...the Russians are not going anywhere. It's the US that must yield or there'd be a REAL crisis. Ones involving megatons rather than bullets. Not something anybody wants...by accident or otherwise. Our wee warmongers likely don't take the response of an RT-2PM2 & its ilk into consideration. It's all fun and games until somebody nukes Chicago. Edited October 10, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes...the USSR/Russians are not going anywhere. It's the US that must yield or there'd be a REAL crisis. Ones involving megatons rather than bullets. Not something anybody wants...by accident or otherwise. Our wee warmongers likely don't take the response of a RT-2PM2 & its ilk into consideration. Not worth it....certainly not for Syrians and Kurds fighting six ways to Sunday. How about some UN "peacekeepers"....Hello...Canada ? Click ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not worth it....certainly not for Syrians and Kurds fighting six ways to Sunday. How about some UN "peacekeepers"....Hello...Canada ? Click ! Yes..."Kill the Turks" is poor motivation for the US to defy Russian hegemony in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Trump is right to thumb his nose at all of them.... U.S. is criticized for being "world police"....U.S. is criticized for not being "world police". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump is right to thumb his nose at all of them.... U.S. is criticized for being "world police"....U.S. is criticized for not being "world police". The media is busy romanticizing the YPG into innocent freedom fighters...just standin' there all peaceful like...and along comes big bad Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 American troops are not human shields for Syrians or Kurds. Hell, the U.S. was bombing southern Syrians (Druze) back in the early 1980's because of the crap in Lebanon. President Reagan shelled the bastards with a WW2 Iowa Class battleship....USS New Jersey (BB-62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: American troops are not human shields for Syrians or Kurds. Hell, the U.S. was bombing southern Syrians (Druze) back in the early 1980's because of the crap in Lebanon. President Reagan shelled the bastards with a WW2 Iowa Class battleship....USS New Jersey (BB-62) And the Marines were forced to stay at that stupid airport complex. Literally targets in a gallery....and were targets in a gallery. You don't do that twice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings Edited October 10, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: And the Marines were forced to stay at that stupid airport complex. Literally targets in a gallery....and were targets in a gallery. You don't do that twice. You got that right...better to fight on far more favourable terms than die like that...and for better reasons. Screw Syria...karma baby ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You got that right...better to fight on far more favourable terms than die like that...and for better reasons. Screw Syria...karma baby ! These guys fight...that's what they do. Islam and other tribal motivations has them always bombing this or shooting that. That includes EVERYBODY in the region...Israel included. Much more selective on their part...and usually as a response...but boy, the F-16s (et al) start laying down the big bombs for some pretty minor incursions. There has NEVER been long periods of peace in the region. From Alexander the Great and before until now....war, war, war. It's what they do there. Edited October 10, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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