OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Don't think Russia is on the agenda. However I posted that not long before AF1 took of this am. I didn't realize the latest stumble had already occurred. And this one was bigly. No, I know that it's not on the agenda. Just couldn't believe anyone would make an issue out of it. Reminds me of the media criticizing the cake at the inauguration. Please bring us something important to talk about Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Omni said: What "unwanted opinion" are you talking about? The latest bombshell is the reported opinion of a guy by the name of Donald Trump. I assume we're talking about Trump giving the opinion of what he had "hoped" Comey would do. And another thing, this isn't even a criminal investigation, it's a fact finding mission. There really is no "justice" to obstruct. As much as CNN and MSNBC want to invoke Nixon and Watergate, Nixon did actually obstruct Justice because he was directly involved in a criminal act. The Dems and media are hoping that something...anything presents itself, because the Russia thing is not a crime. What I hope they find is the leakers, the unmaskers and the Wiki leaker (and it won't be the Russians). Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No, I know that it's not on the agenda. Just couldn't believe anyone would make an issue out of it. Reminds me of the media criticizing the cake at the inauguration. Please bring us something important to talk about I'm not sure what you don't believe. There is a serious issue going on right now. Trump should be in Riyadh soon though. Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Omni said: I'm not sure what you don't believe. There is a serious issue going on right now. Trump should be in Riyadh soon though. What do you think is serious? I haven't heard anything that is of serious concern yet re Trump, at all. Just gossip, gossip. Whatever keeps you people entertained I guess... Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: There really is no "justice" to obstruct. OMG what a misguided statement. When the POTUS fires the head of the FBI, and then admits that he did it to stop an investigation by the FBI of him, you couldn't get a cleared example of obstruction. Because congress is currently controlled by repubs, it may not go anywhere, but the case is quite obvious, if he said what he is reported to have said. Comey is going to give testimony under oath, and I'm sure the courts will subpoena the transcript of the WH meeting. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: What do you think is serious? I haven't heard anything that is of serious concern yet re Trump, at all. Just gossip, gossip. Whatever keeps you people entertained I guess... You think this is not serious eh? Apparently law is not your strong suit. I'm very interested hearing Comey's testimony. And then the WH transcripts. Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Omni said: You think this is not serious eh? Apparently law is not your strong suit. I'm very interested hearing Comey's testimony. And then the WH transcripts. In my country, people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Not by a thousand wagging tongues who know only what "might" be said. Anyone who's a proven criminal should be prosecuted, and goes for whether it's Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Not sure how it works in your reality. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: In my country, people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Not by a thousand wagging tongues who know only what "might" be said. Anyone who's a proven criminal should be prosecuted, and goes for whether it's Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Not sure how it works in your reality. I have no idea what you're comment about "wagging tongues" is about, the two wagging tongues we want to actually hear from are Comey's in a court, and Trump"s on a tape. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Yes, it was a flippant comment - i know. The point is; 2 of the three investigations are little more than fact finding missions and the third (the Meuller investigation) as of now has nothing on Trump himself, maybe Flynn. In fact, as of right now no crime has been committed. At least with Nixon, there was an actual crime to begin with. I think Obama's comments we're more intimidating than what Trump ever said. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Comey is a fruitcake, evident by his own erratic behaviour. That liberals now want to embrace him to enable their agenda speaks to their desperation and hypocrisy. I predict more drama... lots of drama. But nothing else. Look dude, if they had something legit they would have come out with it already. This nonsense is being dragged out to sustain the dialog. Keep liberal tongues wagging, minds boggling. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Comey is a fruitcake, evident by his own erratic behaviour. That liberals now want to embrace him to enable their agenda speaks to their desperation and hypocrisy. I predict more drama... lots of drama. But nothing else. Look dude, if they had something legit they would have come out with it already. This nonsense is being dragged out to sustain the dialog. Keep liberal tongues wagging, minds boggling. I'll try and address both you and Hal on this issue because it seems you both have the cart before the horse so to speak on what is going on here. Whether the investigation has anything currently on Trump (and of course none of us know that yet) the fact that it is an investigation into Trump's possible collusion with Russia, which certainly could be criminal), using your power to fire the man in charge of that ongoing investigation, and then (being stupid enough) to indicate he did it to "take the pressure off" is illegal. Sorry boys, your orange pasty faced boy is in trouble. Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I'll try and address both you and Hal on this issue because it seems you both have the cart before the horse so to speak on what is going on here. Whether the investigation has anything currently on Trump (and of course none of us know that yet) the fact that it is an investigation into Trump's possible collusion with Russia, which certainly could be criminal), using your power to fire the man in charge of that ongoing investigation, and then (being stupid enough) to indicate he did it to "take the pressure off" is illegal. Sorry boys, your orange pasty faced boy is in trouble. Gossip, conjecture. Get back to us when there is a fact. Just one... single... fact. As for firing fruit loops, makes sense to me. He was a real riot to watch during the election. Should have been dismissed immediately when Trump took power, as he had the right to do and other presidents have done before. Trump made the mistake of letting him stay on. Bit of a soft heart, I guess. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 What also comes to mind through this whole business is the obvious conclusion one must come to is that there must be a number of serious leakers who are close enough to Trump to have access to information such as discussions within the Oval Office with foreigh heads of state. Certainly indicates some of his closest people want him gone. Something to do with mid terms maybe? Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Gossip, conjecture. Get back to us when there is a fact. Just one... single... fact. As for firing fruit loops, makes sense to me. He was a real riot to watch during the election. Should have been dismissed immediately when Trump took power, as he had the right to do and other presidents have done before. Trump made the mistake of letting him stay on. Bit of a soft heart, I guess. I've laid out the legal situation here and you either don't get it, or you don't like it because you are a Trump supporter and want it to go away. Both approaches equally misinformed. Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: I've laid out the legal situation here and you either don't get it, or you don't like it because you are a Trump supporter and want it to go away. Both approaches equally misinformed. I get it, as it's very very simple to understand. The conclusions you draw about why I'm not jumping on the Trump train are purely your own extrapolations based on scant facts about me, and completely in line with the way you (and likely thousands of other emotional types) react by filling in the blanks the way you want it to be. But that doesn't make it true. Reality is real. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I get it, as it's very very simple to understand. The conclusions you draw about why I'm not jumping on the Trump train are purely your own extrapolations based on scant facts about me, and completely in line with the way you (and likely thousands of other emotional types) react by filling in the blanks the way you want it to be. But that doesn't make it true. Reality is real. You don't have to be emotional to have an understanding of the law. Testimony and transcripts are what we are waiting for. Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Omni said: You don't have to be emotional to have an understanding of the law. Testimony and transcripts are what we are waiting for. I'm not expecting anything to come out of it. Why? Here's the dichotomy- Comey WAS the Director of the FBI. If he knows something that can get Trump indicted, why didn't he act on it when he was the Director? That was his job, what he was trying to do. He did nothing, and it's reasonable to conclude there was nothing conclusive to report. At some point you either take action or drop the investigation. Unless of course you have an agenda to keep up the appearance of one. If I was president Trump I would say, "Look, guy, you've been investigating for over 6 months now. What have you got? Nothing? Maybe it's time to move on." Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: why didn't he act on it when he was the Director? Very simply because he wasn't allowed to complete his job. Trump fired him before that, and, as evidence from Trump himself seems to show, it was done to stifle the investigation. Or let me put it in very simple language, if Trump had nothing to hide, why fire Comey, and bring the house down on his head? Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: Very simply because he wasn't allowed to complete his job. Trump fired him before that, and, as evidence from Trump himself seems to show, it was done to stifle the investigation. Or let me put it in very simple language, if Trump had nothing to hide, why fire Comey, and bring the house down on his head? Apparently Trump himself was not under investigation. But the media upheld the appearance that he was. The investigation was into Russian collusion that may have influenced the election. That is far less scary than it sounds, because unless the Russians directly hacked the voting machines, it was still Americans who voted, not the Russians. If I were Trump I would have done that on day 1. He deserved it for being a buffoon during the election. House be damned, if I find that anything I do as POTUS will result in it coming down on my head anyway, I may as well do whatever I want. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 44 minutes ago, Omni said: What also comes to mind through this whole business is the obvious conclusion one must come to is that there must be a number of serious leakers who are close enough to Trump to have access to information such as discussions within the Oval Office with foreigh heads of state. Certainly indicates some of his closest people want him gone. Something to do with mid terms maybe? I guess this is why when you take office, you simply fire everyone on the spot. Maids, chefs...everyone. That's the biggest mistake Trump made. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Apparently Trump himself was not under investigation. But the media upheld the appearance that he was. The investigation was into Russian collusion that may have influenced the election. That is far less scary than it sounds, because unless the Russians directly hacked the voting machines, it was still Americans who voted, not the Russians. If I were Trump I would have done that on day 1. He deserved it for being a buffoon during the election. House be damned, if I find that anything I do as POTUS will result in it coming down on my head anyway, I may as well do whatever I want. Trump was under investigation, that's the heart of the problem FFS! There is ample evidence that the Russians did hack the election process, and that is scary, unless you don't care about democracy. And again you don't seem to understand law well, but that collusion that you say is not scary to you, is actually treason under US law. And guess what, that's also impeachable. Quote
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I guess this is why when you take office, you simply fire everyone on the spot. Maids, chefs...everyone. That's the biggest mistake Trump made. Ha ha ha. This discussion is kind of like herding cats. Nothing to do with firing maids. It's to do with firing the head of the FBI. You do kind of understand the rather significant difference, no? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: Trump was under investigation, that's the heart of the problem FFS! There is ample evidence that the Russians did hack the election process, and that is scary, unless you don't care about democracy. And again you don't seem to understand law well, but that collusion that you say is not scary to you, is actually treason under US law. And guess what, that's also impeachable. Treason! Wow, that is serious. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Ha ha ha. This discussion is kind of like herding cats. Nothing to do with firing maids. It's to do with firing the head of the FBI. You do kind of understand the rather significant difference, no? I was responding to your comment about leaks - obviously. That's why I used the quote thingy. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted May 20, 2017 Report Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Treason! Wow, that is serious. Yeah American law takes it's democratic process fairly seriously. Quote
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