Human Harvest: China's Illegal Organ Trade

[G Huxley]

A horrifying documentary. China has been keeping hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong members in concentration camps, killing them and harvesting their organs.

Canada should stand up against this barbarity and be wary about any trade deals or treaties with China.

[eyeball]

Canada should stand up against this barbarity and be wary about any trade deals or treaties with China.

It's an awful thing alright. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[G Huxley]

Yes with Stephane Dion selling multibillion dollars arms deals to the Saudi tyrants in order to make up for the massive over spending, we've already seen the Liberal Party's dedication to human rights.

[Smallc]

Stephane Dion isn't selling anything.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Smallc

[eyeball]

Just our principles. They're only a dime a doz these days.

[nerve]

A horrifying documentary. China has been keeping hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong members in concentration camps, killing them and harvesting their organs.

Canada should stand up against this barbarity and be wary about any trade deals or treaties with China.

I was actually chatting with an American last month about how they have police vans harvesting organs over there, and that they are in fact sold to people from the west places such as Canada. I didn't really beleive it, as who in Canada would be buying organs harvested in China for organ transplants over here.

I do remember a tv show that documented the illegal organ trade in Pakistan years back though, people with three gallbladers etc.. paying like 10k etc.. per organ.

I havn't seen it with my own eyes so I won't judge but this is pretty grizzly stuff.

I think it is as bad as pedophile rings any day of the week. If it is a crime to rape a kid in some foreign country, it should also be illegal to take someones organ who was harvested substandard to Canadian law. Regardless of whether it is being done by the government or is legal in that other country.

I think it is as morally questionable easily.

[dre]

Just our principles. They're only a dime a doz these days.

Canadian government, consumers, and companies of today would have gladly done business with the Nazi's or bought products made in Soviet gulags if it was the best deal going.

[G Huxley]

Nerve indeed. The documentary is well worth seeing. Incidentally a number of European governments have passed laws forbidding 'health tourism' for organ transplants to countries where the practices are questionable. Unfortunately at the same time Harper was probably busy selling Canada to the Chinese regime and seeking to curtail further favour.

[Guest]

Nerve indeed. The documentary is well worth seeing. Incidentally a number of European governments have passed laws forbidding 'health tourism' for organ transplants to countries where the practices are questionable. Unfortunately at the same time Harper was probably busy selling Canada to the Chinese regime and seeking to curtail further favour.

Curry, surely?

Still, no problem now that Trudeau is in charge. All dealing with China will certainly cease.

[Argus]

Nerve indeed. The documentary is well worth seeing. Incidentally a number of European governments have passed laws forbidding 'health tourism' for organ transplants to countries where the practices are questionable. Unfortunately at the same time Harper was probably busy selling Canada to the Chinese regime and seeking to curtail further favour.

Harper was the only western leader who attempted, for a while anyway, to view China with a degree of disdain, and keep our distance. He eventually gave up on that in the face of practicality, and the strident, almost frantic demands of the Liberals and NDP, who regarded China as the world's most wonderful and socially developed nation. Trudeau has even spoken admiringly of how the communists govern with such efficiency.

[waldo]

Harper was the only western leader who attempted, for a while anyway, to view China with a degree of disdain, and keep our distance. He eventually gave up on that in the face of practicality, and the strident, almost frantic demands of the Liberals and NDP, who regarded China as the world's most wonderful and socially developed nation.

whaaa! The plaintive wail of yet another "they made him do it"! By the by, wasn't there a Harper Conservative majority in there somewhere?

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[Argus]

whaaa! The plaintive wail of yet another "they made him do it"! By the by, wasn't there a Harper Conservative majority in there somewhere?

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Yeah, during the worst recession in memory.

"There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."

Not only was it a blindly stupid thing to say in political terms but it was completely wrong, as events since then have shown.

[waldo]

Yeah, during the worst recession in memory.

no - per StatsCan: mild and short... just 3 quarters in duration... within G7 countries, Canada went in last and came out first! Perhaps you have self-serving selection memory - yes?

as for that Trudeau comment, wouldn't you small/no government types be all down with that? (and keep taking those liberties with the context of the statement)

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Edited April 15, 2016 by waldo

[GostHacked]

Yes with Stephane Dion selling multibillion dollars arms deals to the Saudi tyrants in order to make up for the massive over spending, we've already seen the Liberal Party's dedication to human rights.

This deal started under Harper. The Liberals do share part of the blame for not cancelling it. But hey we want our economy to grow right? Our government does not care about human rights issues as long as the money is flowing in. Weapons are big money.

China's cheap labour coupled with Corporations moving their operations to China kind of tells me that you are not going to see any action on it. It's cheaper for a person to KILL a person with a car compared to with the long term care of the injured person. If they do hit someone and not kill them, they TRY to do it anyways. That's not just a government mentality, but almost on the whole based on desperation and being poor as hell and not living in a place that can care for and be sympathetic to the injured. They don't even seem to value each other.

[GostHacked]

Canadian government, consumers, and companies of today would have gladly done business with the Nazi's or bought products made in Soviet gulags if it was the best deal going.

IBM and I think Ford made a good deal of money off the Nazis.

[G Huxley]

Curry, surely?

Still, no problem now that Trudeau is in charge. All dealing with China will certainly cease.

You probably noticed that in this thread I had all ready criticized the Liberals' stance towards China. This is the problem with viewing things with left/right blinders. You miss the actual topic at hand. That both governments have had virtually the same stance toward China and that it is a bad one.

[G Huxley]

"This deal started under Harper. The Liberals do share part of the blame for not cancelling it. But hey we want our economy to grow right? Our government does not care about human rights issues as long as the money is flowing in. Weapons are big money."

Oh well then if principles don't matter as long as the economy grows right, then there's all sorts of ways the Liberals can make money for the Canadian government.

Why not start off with opening a Canadian government run pre-school prostitution ring? I mean really that's the sort of thing on par with doing open trade with a government that involuntarily force harvests' it's own citizens organs while they are still alive on an operating table to make a buck. Or selling weapons to the psychotic House of Saud as they invade and massacre their neighbours.

Is this what Canada has become? Really???

Is this what you aspire to?

Edited April 16, 2016 by G Huxley

[Guest]

You probably noticed that in this thread I had all ready criticized the Liberals' stance towards China. This is the problem with viewing things with left/right blinders. You miss the actual topic at hand. That both governments have had virtually the same stance toward China and that it is a bad one.

If I had noticed it I wouldn't have posted. My apologies for implying your partisanship.

[G Huxley]

No prob.

[bjre]

A horrifying documentary.

Many documentary tells lies.

China has been keeping hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong members in concentration camps, killing them and harvesting their organs.

Originally, Falun Gong is just an organization that attract people to do excise to improve their health by lies. When it becomes big, US used it, then it become a tool of CIA, when China find it and ban it, most people left that organization and find other ways to do physical exercise. The head of it who said himself is a god move to US. Many people who wanted to become US resident join it in US so that they can say they can not go back to China. During that period, they told lots of lies, or intensionally misleading stories, some of it became documentary.

Canada should stand up against this barbarity and be wary about any trade deals or treaties with China.

Except tell their own lies, many politicians enjoy use lies created by others for their own agenda, no matter they know it was lies or not.

Edited April 16, 2016 by bjre

[Big Guy]

When did it become popular for the West including Canada to become the conscience of the world. What right do we have to stick our noses into the inner dealings of other sovereign nations.

The role of our government is to do things for the betterment of Canadians. If, and only if another nation is starting to do something which will harm Canada do we have any right to get involved. The more we try to impose our morals and vision of society on others the more we get mired into conflicts which have nothing to do with us.

When folks in another nation decide to fight it out between themselves then stay out of it. Do not take either side but wait to see who wins and deal with them. One of the strengths of the USA was that it was allowed to work out its own problems in its civil war and did not need or want some European, or Asian, or African nation to get involved.

How would we have taken an involvement by France into our separation referendum!

Edited April 16, 2016 by Big Guy

[G Huxley]

"When did it become popular for the West including Canada to become the conscience of the world. What right do we have to stick our noses into the inner dealings of other sovereign nations."

One has a responsibility when one one does trade. I'm not suggesting Canada invade China if that's what you are implying.

One doesn't trade with Nazi Germany for example.

[eyeball]

If NAZIS were around today we'd be happily trading with them.

And why not?

Edited April 16, 2016 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

...One doesn't trade with Nazi Germany for example.

Canada's Olympic committee accepted "Nazi" Germany's invitation to the 1936 games despite well organized boycott efforts, and Canada also participated in the 2008 games at Beijing. Going back over 100 years, Canada had previously set up immigration recruiters and offices to get not just human organs, but entire families to emigrate to the Canadian paradise.

So Canada most certainly does trade with "Nazis" or China, whenever it is in its interest to do so.

Edited April 16, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[bjre]

Canada's Olympic committee accepted "Nazi" Germany's invitation to the 1936 games despite well organized boycott efforts, and Canada also participated in the 2008 games at Beijing. Going back over 100 years, Canada had previously set up immigration recruiters and offices to get not just human organs, but entire families to emigrate to the Canadian paradise.

So Canada most certainly does trade with "Nazis" or China, whenever it is in its interest to do so.

Or trade with the United States, which waged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, created the ISIS, that caused millions of people killed in recent years.