dre Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 You guys are asking for evidence that 1) you know doesn't exist and 2) you know Betsy will never acknowledge that it doesn't exist. Let's stop beating the dead horse. I've said it before, never argue with anyone who believes their own lies. Yeah people should not reply to threads like this. Betsy's attempt to rationalize her position or come up with any sort of logical support for her argument is so EPIC that it just makes this whole place look bad if people bite on it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
waldo Posted May 13, 2016 Report Posted May 13, 2016 Unlike atheists.....I can go where the evidence leads. yes, indeed! . You concern yourself too much about what I personally believe. That's not the issue, Waldo. I've brought out the NAS statement, and I'm simply arguing for its clear statement. Now, whether I believe evolution to be a fact, or not.....is irrelevant. how droll... how naive... how self-serving! You presume to have others interpret your claims/proffered positions separate and independent from your expressed personal statements and the inherent basis/bias they originate from or are influenced by? Really? . Haven't you heard of debates where debators take the position contrary to their own beliefs? hey now... that's one of the angles now being played out by Trump's handlers... in his magical presidential makeover - that he just likes to play 'devils advocate'... taking positions and saying things he doesn't believe while seeking reactions/publicity. Is this why you're so pro-Trump? Are you an also an advocate for the devil? is there a special interpretation mode other MLW members need to be in to differentiate positions you believe in from those you don't? Wait... is that what your green text is about? Which is which - green means what? . Quote
betsy Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Waldo Wait... is that what your green text is about? Which is which - green means what? You can't figure that out? Oh boy...... Edited May 13, 2016 by betsy Quote
eyeball Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 You concern yourself too much about what I personally believe. You should see yourself in action sometime. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
betsy Posted May 14, 2016 Author Report Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Dandelions that lay on their side in grass evolved since the invention of the lawnmower. Popping-up only to release their seeds. Evolution and natural selection in action. Natural selection is not evolution. Natural selection merely plays with genetic information - reducing or redistributing pre-existing genetic information. It cannot generate brand new information. It filters information that already exists. Your dandelions is an example of......adaptation. It does not prove evolution. We'll get to evolution, eventually. In another thread devoted to it. Edited May 14, 2016 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 14, 2016 Author Report Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Yeah people should not reply to threads like this. Betsy's attempt to rationalize her position or come up with any sort of logical support for her argument is so EPIC that it just makes this whole place look bad if people bite on it. Like as if I'm not known for filling up my own thread with my opinion! If I've got something to say, I'll say it - with or without any feedbacks or responses. It's either you can't figure out the numerous logical support for the argument being presented, or you'd chosen to ignore them. Just because you don't agree with the logic behind the argument, doesn't mean there's no logical support that's been given. Any unbiased, objective, SENSIBLE reader can easily see to that. We don't like what she says, it makes "THIS WHOLE PLACE look bad." In other words. you're saying...."we want her to shut up, let's ignore her, don't respond......c'mon guys, let's do that." If there's one thing that makes a forum really looks bad....it would be that of a clique or like-minded individuals ganging up to put pressure to censor, or filter anything they can't refute! That's the EPIC LAST RESORT of those who've got nothing to say! The ones who know they're on the losing end! So I take it, you must plainly see the writings on the wall! No one forces you to enter this thread. No gun to your head, nor am I twisting your arm, am I? Edited May 14, 2016 by betsy Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Natural selection is not evolution. Part of...yes it is. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Betsy has done a great job of out of context quote mining from those various sites to make it seem that it support's Betsy's argument. However when reading all of the text in the proper context, we find that Betsy has failed to prove her point. Quote
The_Squid Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Natural selection is one of the mechanisms through which evolution can occur. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Nope. Yes...before the lawnmower, there was no need for dandelions to lay down....so they didn't. It takes energy to make a stem go upright to deliver its seeds. All it took was natural (or un-natural seeing its a lawnmower) selection to kill the upright ones sparing that one lone example on the lawn laying down...its genes are passed on. To boot, dandelions now know when they've had their upright stems removed and won't replace them...instead growing sideways flowers. Clever plant. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted May 14, 2016 Author Report Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Natural selection is one of the mechanisms through which evolution can occur. Oh for crying out loud.....no scientist fully understands evolution! I mean, macro-evolution. That's a fact! Evolution is a politicized issue, that's all the reason why it's accepted today. Edited May 14, 2016 by betsy Quote
The_Squid Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Oh for crying out loud.....no scientist fully understands evolution! I mean, macro-evolution. That's a fact! Evolution is a politicized issue, that's all the reason why it's accepted today. Scientists don't fully understand gravity either.... So what? You may want to pick up a science textbook. Your opinion about evolution is very ignorant. Natural selection is one of the basic mechanisms of evolution, along with mutation, migration, and genetic drift. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25 Quote
betsy Posted May 14, 2016 Author Report Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Scientists don't fully understand gravity either.... So what? You may want to pick up a science textbook. Your opinion about evolution is very ignorant. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25 Oh? Is there empirical evidence for gravity? Anyway.....to continue this discussion, go to science section. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25773-no-scientist-alive-today-understands-macroevolution/ Edited May 14, 2016 by betsy Quote
The_Squid Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Oh? Is there empirical evidence for gravity? Anyway.....to continue this discussion, go to science section. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25773-no-scientist-alive-today-understands-macroevolution/ You actually think scientists understand everything about gravity? https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity/ Quote
GostHacked Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Oh? Is there empirical evidence for gravity? Yup, have you been thrown off this rock we call earth yet? That's not just anecdotal. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 14, 2016 Report Posted May 14, 2016 Betsy, just how DO we manage to stay feet planted on this rock we call Earth? Why can't I ever get to space by myself? I've tried jumping and such, but still can't get there. Now give me a rocket ... Quote
betsy Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Deleted. Responded in Science section. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25773-no-scientist-alive-today-understands-macroevolution/ Edited May 15, 2016 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) deleted. Wrong thread. Edited May 15, 2016 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) You actually think scientists understand everything about gravity? https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity/ You're missing the point! Having evidence, and yet not fully understand (like gravity - that keeps us firmly on the ground)..... ..................is not comparable to......... .........HAVING NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, (which is WHY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND!) If you can't even conclude that something exists - how can you even begin to understand it? Unlike gravity, there is no evidence for MACRO evolution. How can you understand something which alleged existence is based on assumption? Edited May 15, 2016 by betsy Quote
The_Squid Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 Saying there's no evidence for evolution is really ignorant. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 You're missing the point! Having evidence, and yet not fully understand (like gravity - that keeps us firmly on the ground)..... ..................is not comparable to......... .........HAVING NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, (which is WHY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND!) If you can't even conclude that something exists - how can you even begin to understand it? Unlike gravity, there is no evidence for MACRO evolution. How can you understand something which alleged existence is based on assumption? One needs to understand first, then make a conclusion, not the other way around. Quote
betsy Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Saying there's no evidence for evolution is really ignorant. That's what some posters keep saying. Well, prove it then! For the hundredth time, give an evidence for MACRO Evolution! Pu your money where your mouth is! Edited May 15, 2016 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) One needs to understand first, then make a conclusion, not the other way around. If there is no evidence it EVEN exists....you can't understand it. That would be like you saying you understand about the SASQUATCH, yet you've got no evidence to prove it even exists at all! WOW! Speaking of the Sasquatch..... .......from your rationale, evolutionists are beginning to sound like the ones most likely to believe in unicorns and fairies! Edited May 15, 2016 by betsy Quote
Guest Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 If there is no evidence it EVEN exists....you can't understand it. That would be like you saying you understand about the SASQUATCH, yet you've got no evidence to prove it even exists at all! WOW! Speaking of the Sasquatch..... .......from your rationale, evolutionists are beginning to sound like the ones most likely to believe in unicorns and fairies! There's more evidence that the Sasquatch exists than there is that any God exists. At least we have a photo of the big fella, no matter how dodgy. We don't have one of a God. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.