Rue Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) I agree with you about the settlements - Israel's abhorrent aggressions must end. That is my point. My only point. It wasn't your only point. You went on to deny the right of Jews to be nationals, and to have their own state. Stop denying what you wrote. Edited May 4, 2016 by Rue
DogOnPorch Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Do majority of them do? What about the Russian and other European Jews? Some were 'evicted', some left on their own merit. Your thoughts on the 700,000 Palestinians who were evicted from what is now Israel, with the 500+ Palestinian villages that were demolished after Israel became a country? Jews were evicted in large numbers from Muslim lands after the Mufti lost the 1948 War. Revenge for the Jewish victory. Russia became a big source for Jewish immigrants after the Cold War ended. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries Many Arabs left their homes in the former British Mandate of Palestine at the behest of the Grand Mufti who wanted a clear field to kill Jews. That's how sure of Arab victory he was. Other fled as a result of Irgun's operations during the war which were no better than the Arab terrorists they were formed to fight against. I find it interesting that the two numbers of refugees are almost identical...but that Israel managed to settle all the refugees evicted from Muslim majority counties but the Arabs were unwilling to do likewise for their refugees after losing the war they started. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 You take it personally ... as Jew ... when I criticize Israel. All those who criticize are 'antisemitic'. And you do Israel no favour by labelling all questioning as 'antisemitic'. . You question the right of Jews to be Israeli. That is not criticism of Israeli state policies. Pretending it is does not make it so. They are two different issues. When you criticize Israel state policies you are not called out. When you make bigoted statements telling Jews they have no right to be nationals while supporting the right of Muslims to be nationals, that makes you a bigot. Your attempts to suggest you are unfairly called out for your bigotry has failed as has your attempt to suggest people take what you say as personal because they are Jewish. You are a bigot for your stated double standard, no more, no less. This crap where I do Israel no favour calling you a bigot is a laughable. I call you a bigot against Jews because you blblatantly repeat your double standard over and over. This notion you have that you can avoid being called a bigot simply because you hate Israel is a laugh.
Rue Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 There is nothing more distracting, disturbing and irritating than somebody on an anonymous public access opinion board declaring themselves as spokespersons for Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, or ... It fascinates me that some posters take these misguided egotists seriously. But its your quarter, spend it how you want. Yes this coming from someone who proclaims to be a spokesperson for Iran.
DogOnPorch Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) I agree with you about the settlements - Israel's abhorrent aggressions must end. That is my point. My only point. Israel must stop invading and pushing Arabs out. So I'm an antisemite and you're not? Lol . Israel has never invaded an Arab country. The Arabs have started every fight from day one. Edited May 4, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 I will continue to criticize any ideology or movement that takes away the basic human rights of people and if you or anyone else want to silence that criticism with bogus claims of racism, go for it. Considering what you stand for and the character you display on here, your opinion means very little to me. Good we are even.
Rue Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) Settle down. One sentence would have been sufficient. You need to learn to have a little control over how you try to make a point or ask questions. No need to go into a drivel every.single.time. I am going to post one of many posts made where the antisemite card has been flashed. Here is one I just responded to from Argus: Provide the words he refers to and his quote. Without both you have proven nothing. You think removing a comment out of its full context proves your point? That's the bull crap you want to pplay? Interesting you didn't pull one of my quotes. Why not? You know where to find me and my words. Get back to me when you have the integrity to post the words he responded to. You won't. Edited May 4, 2016 by Rue
G Huxley Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 How is it possible for you to quote Islam as if it were a person? Tell me a branch of Islam where you don't have to learn Koranic Arabic.
Argus Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Okay? And? You're unable to follow the conversation between DoP and I. You should make a little more effort to understand something, before you respond to it. Maybe you should make a little more effort at communicating your ideas. Try being less shifty. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Tell me a branch of Islam where you don't have to learn Koranic Arabic. Uhm, all of them. How many Muslims in the world do you think speak Arabic, anyway? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 So Israel wants to absorb them all? Isn't that why Israel has quotas to keep them out? Isn't that why Israel keeps expanding and pushing them out? What quota are you referring to anyway? Cite, please. Israel is not expanding, but it does have a high population for a small area, and internal political wrangling is what allows the expansion of the settlements in the West Bank. Everyone knows, however, that those will have to be handed over in any eventual peace process. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Yes this coming from someone who proclaims to be a spokesperson for Iran. Congratulations on your brevity! But - could you please direct me to a post where I claimed to be a spokesperson for Iran? Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
G Huxley Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 Every single Muslim is required to learn Koranic Arabic so that they can read the Koran. This is a requirement of followers in every sect of Islam. That is why although the Islamic world is very diverse linguistically one can still make one understood from one side to the other if one knows classical Arabic.
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Every single Muslim is required to learn Koranic Arabic so that they can read the Koran. This is a requirement of followers in every sect of Islam. That is why although the Islamic world is very diverse linguistically one can still make one understood from one side to the other if one knows classical Arabic. A fallacy. The Quran was apparently given to the people in Medieval Arabic as it was the common language of the desert. The only requirement for the reading of the Quran is to be 'pure of heart'. In Arabic: http://tanzil.net/#56:79 In English (Pickthall): http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/56:79 Goodness knows what a given Imam says...but that doesn't matter as there is no authority in Islam to decide who is the real Scotsman. Edited May 5, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 Israel is not expanding, but it does have a high population for a small area, and internal political wrangling is what allows the expansion of the settlements in the West Bank. Everyone knows, however, that those will have to be handed over in any eventual peace process. Yes it's a tad extreme to call a new condo development genocidal expansion. But here's where the iffy part comes in as subconsciously, posters show that they imagine a future Palestine free of all Jews. Why can't Jews live in the new Palestine and start paying taxes to the PA? Guys like us ask these questions and get no reply... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
G Huxley Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 A fallacy. The Quran was apparently given to the people in Medieval Arabic as it was the common language of the desert. The only requirement for the reading of the Quran is to be 'pure of heart'. In Arabic: http://tanzil.net/#56:79 In English (Pickthall): http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/56:79 Goodness knows what a given Imam says...but that doesn't matter as there is no authority in Islam to decide who is the real Scotsman. You can call it medieval, classical, or whatever you want. There is only one Koranic Arabic and the only way to read the Koran is to read it in the only authentic language one can read the Koran in according to Islam and that is Koranic Arabic.
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 You can call it medieval, classical, or whatever you want. There is only one Koranic Arabic and the only way to read the Koran is to read it in the only authentic language one can read the Koran in according to Islam and that is Koranic Arabic. I already proved you wrong with the Quran's own words. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 Yes it's a tad extreme to call a new condo development genocidal expansion. But here's where the iffy part comes in as subconsciously, posters show that they imagine a future Palestine free of all Jews. Why can't Jews live in the new Palestine and start paying taxes to the PA? Guys like us ask these questions and get no reply... I doubt they want to give up the protection of the IDF..
jacee Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) What quota are you referring to anyway? Cite, please.How could Israel be a Jewish state if it allows unlimited numbers of Arabs in? Of course there are quotas.Israel is not expanding, but it does have a high population for a small area, and internal political wrangling is what allows the expansion of the settlements in the West Bank. Everyone knows, however, that those will have to be handed over in any eventual peace process.So ... Israel is expanding but not expanding? :/I don't think "everyone" agrees to give up the settlements. Certainly not the settlers. And the Israeli government allows/encourages/supports/protects them. I think you are quite naive about this, Argus. Israel "From the river to the sea" displaces West Bank and Gaza Arabs. Israel wants the territory, without the people. . Edited May 5, 2016 by jacee
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 I doubt they want to give up the protection of the IDF. . Why? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 How could Israel be a Jewish state if it allows unlimited numbers of Arabs in? Of course there are quotas. So ... Israel is expanding but not expanding? :/ I don't think "everyone" agrees to give up the settlements. Certainly not the settlers. And the Israeli government allows/encourages/supports/protects them. I think you are quite naive about this, Argus. Israel "From the river to the sea" displaces West Bank and Gaza Arabs. Israel wants the territory, without the people. . There is absolutely no evidence of this actually occurring as you suggest. Israel is far smaller now than it was in say...1975. Israel gives land for peace. Ask Egypt. Nor did Israel outright annex the West Bank in 1967 as it sure could have...Jordan sure did in 1949. Condo developments in East Jerusalem or religious settlers in the West Bank shouldn't matter re: peace. Surely those Jews that stay can be citizens of the Islamic State of Palestine...free from discrimination. But we both know this can't happen. Why is that?? Israel has nearly two million Muslim Arabs who call the place home. These are the ones who ignored the Mufti and Irgun. The rest should face the fortunes of war and be absorbed by Jordan and Egypt at Israel's dictation....in a sane world. Nowhere else does a refugee carry so much misplaced pity. Don't believe me? Where's South Viet-Nam these days? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Why? It seems both you and Argus aren't very well informed about the expanding settlements. I guess it's easier to be fully supportive of Israel if you don't really know what Israel's up to ... with US support: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement According to the Israeli investigative reporter Uri Blau, settlements are massively funded by private tax-exempt U.S. NGOs, to the tune of $220 million for 2009-2013 alone, suggesting that the U.S. is indirectly subsidizing their creation.[10] . Edited May 5, 2016 by jacee
DogOnPorch Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 It seems both you and Argus aren't very well informed about the expanding settlements. I guess it's easier to be fully supportive of Israel if you don't really know what Israel's up to ... with US support: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement According to the Israeli investigative reporter Uri Blau, settlements are massively funded by private tax-exempt U.S. NGOs, to the tune of $220 million for 2009-2013 alone, suggesting that the U.S. is indirectly subsidizing their creation.[10] . No...I mean why can't these Jews become citizens of a future Palestine? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
G Huxley Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 I already proved you wrong with the Quran's own words. If it was in the Koran's own words it would be in Arabic, not in English.
jacee Posted May 5, 2016 Report Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) No...I mean why can't these Jews become citizens of a future Palestine?Ask them if that's what they want:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/meetthesettlers/ The settler leadership, however, is interested in co-existence only if Israel is in overall control. . Edited May 5, 2016 by jacee
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