BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 So Caitlyn Jenner wants to be the trans ambassador for Ted Cruz. I get what she's saying about conservatism as a fiscal policy, but long gone are the days where the party had its basis in those roots. Today's conservatives are being shouted down by the bigots, homophobes and transphobes that have taken over their party. I can't imagine being gay or trans in the US, being fiscally-conservative, and having to side with the likes of Ted Cruz. At least in Canada we have the LPC, which (in theory anyway), is supposed to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. http://gawker.com/caitlyn-jenner-wants-to-be-ted-cruzs-trans-ambassador-1762666412 Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
kimmy Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 It's simply not possible for anyone to run for the Republican nomination unless they're acceptable to the evangelicals. That means being "pro life", "pro family", and loudly religious. There are gay Republican groups (like Log Cabin Republicans or GOProud) and pro-choice Republicans... but they're not even welcome at Republican events. Voters who support socially liberal values but still want a president who is slavishly pro-business can vote for Hillary this year. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Posted March 4, 2016 There are gay Republican groups (like Log Cabin Republicans or GOProud) and pro-choice Republicans... but they're not even welcome at Republican events. On an existential level, it's pretty much an oxymoron to be a gay or transgender Republican. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 On an existential level, it's pretty much an oxymoron to be a gay or transgender Republican.Libertarians have to choose between two bad options in the US. Generally the damage to society caused by the evangelical obsessions is small compared to the damage caused by left wing obsessions which makes the Republicans a better choice. Quote
BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Libertarians have to choose between two bad options in the US. Generally the damage to society caused by the evangelical obsessions is small compared to the damage caused by left wing obsessions which makes the Republicans a better choice. That's actually a very reasonable response Tim, but to LGBTQ community, evangelical obsessions do impact their lives and their equality. Cruz has said openly that trans students should impose themselves (or something offense to that effect) to use the teacher's bathrooms instead of being boys in dresses in girls bathrooms. You may or may not agree with that, and that's your choice, but you can't deny that the Evangelicals do pose more than 'just a nuisance' to the qualify of life of LGBTQ community. Hence, the existential oxymoron. Edited March 4, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Shady Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 It's simply not possible for anyone to run for the Republican nomination unless they're acceptable to the evangelicals. That means being "pro life", "pro family", and loudly religious. That's not really true in this cycle. Trump is winning with evangelicals, even though he's pro-choice, has praised Planned Parenthood, etc. Quote
Shady Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 So Caitlyn Jenner wants to be the trans ambassador for Ted Cruz. I get what she's saying about conservatism as a fiscal policy, but long gone are the days where the party had its basis in those roots. Today's conservatives are being shouted down by the bigots, homophobes and transphobes that have taken over their party. I can't imagine being gay or trans in the US, being fiscally-conservative, and having to side with the likes of Ted Cruz. At least in Canada we have the LPC, which (in theory anyway), is supposed to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. http://gawker.com/caitlyn-jenner-wants-to-be-ted-cruzs-trans-ambassador-1762666412 Siding with Ted Cruz on fiscal issues doesn't impact anyone in terms of their trans/gay lifestyle, marriage etc. That's largely decided by the states, and now the Supreme Court. Ted Cruz may believe in traditional marriage. But he has no power, nor have I heard him suggest trying to change marriage laws, etc. It's really a moot point used for pure politics at this point in time. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 Very few people in the trans community want some Hollywood reality show puppet speaking for them. She should be the ambassador of going away. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
TimG Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) --- Edited March 4, 2016 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) That's actually a very reasonable response Tim, but to LGBTQ community, evangelical obsessions do impact their lives and their equality.Not every gay person cares about being able to marry nor does every sufferer from gender dysphoria feel the need for radical surgery. It is wrong to assume that the 'public acceptance' issues that are big issues on the left matter as much to every person that belongs to the categories created by the left. People are individuals. Edited March 4, 2016 by TimG Quote
BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Posted March 4, 2016 Not every gay person cares about being able to marry nor does every sufferer from gender dysphoria feel the need for radical surgery. It is wrong to assume that the 'public acceptance' issues that are big issues on the left matter as much to every person that belongs to the categories created by the left. People are individuals. Sure, there are always exceptions but on the flip-side, what do you think of gays who do support SSM (which I'm sure are the vast majority) and transgendered people who do have surgery (ie, Caitlyn Jenner) who support candidates that see them as some sort of aberration that need to be suppressed? That's a bit of paradox, no? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Sure, there are always exceptions but on the flip-side, what do you think of gays who do support SSM (which I'm sure are the vast majority)The question is not whether they support SSM but whether it is an issue that trumps other concerns. Obviously there are gays who think the Republican attitudes towards business and government are more important than their stance on SSM. Stransgendered people who do have surgery (ie, Caitlyn Jenner) who support candidates that see them as some sort of aberration that need to be suppressed?First, when we start talking about transgender we are talking about people with a diagnosed mental illness. Second, rejecting specific treatments for a mental illness does not mean people think the sufferers 'need to be suppressed'. In any case, the same priorities need to be set. Economic policy matters a lot to some people. Edited March 4, 2016 by TimG Quote
BC_chick Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Posted March 4, 2016 First, when we start talking about transgender we are talking about people with a diagnosed mental illness. Oh no, I forgot who I was talking to. For me the discussion ends here. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Oh no, I forgot who I was talking to. For me the discussion ends here.I guess you missed the last thread on this topic where even advocates for transgender agreed that they have a mental illness/defect requiring treatment and the only question for debate is whether sex change operations are acceptable forms of treatment for that illness. It is quite unreasonable for you to expect others to deny objective facts because they make you uncomfortable. Edited March 4, 2016 by TimG Quote
overthere Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 This has nothing to do with gender politics. It has everyhthing to do with being a sad and pathetic attention whore. Caitlyn, go away. The adults want to speak. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Hal 9000 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Posted March 5, 2016 Sure, there are always exceptions but on the flip-side, what do you think of gays who do support SSM (which I'm sure are the vast majority) and transgendered people who do have surgery (ie, Caitlyn Jenner) who support candidates that see them as some sort of aberration that need to be suppressed? That's a bit of paradox, no? Until a man cuts off his junk, I'll consider him a man. If he can't do that, then I question his commitment. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted March 5, 2016 Report Posted March 5, 2016 Spoken like a true troglodyte. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Hal 9000 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Posted March 5, 2016 Isn't Jenner really a man dressed as a woman? Wouldn't that make him just a transvestite? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
GostHacked Posted March 5, 2016 Report Posted March 5, 2016 This has nothing to do with gender politics. It has everyhthing to do with being a sad and pathetic attention whore. Caitlyn, go away. The adults want to speak. Thank you very much! Hard to disagree with this notion. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
BC_chick Posted March 6, 2016 Author Report Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) This has nothing to do with gender politics. I considered for a long time under which category to post (Moral/Ethical or Religion/Politics or even US politics) but I decided on this one because the issue is a transgender figure in the public eye who supports a political candidate who openly suppresses trans rights. I agree that she is a famewhore, but the fact of the matter is she is a socially public figure (unfortunate but true) and Ted Cruz is oppressive to LGBTQ groups. Edited March 6, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Hal 9000 Posted March 6, 2016 Report Posted March 6, 2016 I considered for a long time under which category to post (Moral/Ethical or Religion/Politics or even US politics) but I decided on this one because the issue is a transgender figure in the public eye who supports a political candidate who openly suppresses trans rights. I agree that she is a famewhore, but the fact of the matter is she is a socially public figure (unfortunate but true) and Ted Cruz is oppressive to LGBTQ groups. If Jenner is a woman, like you people want to say, then why can't Jenner - a woman vote republican. Can a woman not vote republican? Or just those women who used to be men? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
overthere Posted March 6, 2016 Report Posted March 6, 2016 I considered for a long time under which category to post (Moral/Ethical or Religion/Politics or even US politics) but I decided on this one because the issue is a transgender figure in the public eye who supports a political candidate who openly suppresses trans rights. I agree that she is a famewhore, but the fact of the matter is she is a socially public figure (unfortunate but true) and Ted Cruz is oppressive to LGBTQ groups. It should be in Entertainment and Sports. She is only a public figure because she has an excellent publicist. Jenner has nothing to add to any conversation among adults. If I was a leader or spokesperson in LGBTQ circles, I'd want to distance myself very far from Ms Jenner, as I have no reason whatsoever to think her every action/word is anything but self promotion. Jenner would get no airtime supporting Bernie Sanders so guess what she does.....? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
BC_chick Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Posted March 7, 2016 It should be in Entertainment and Jenner would get no airtime supporting Bernie Sanders so guess what she does.....? She's been a republican all her life, it's not publicity. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
kimmy Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 If Jenner is a woman, like you people want to say, then why can't Jenner - a woman vote republican. Can a woman not vote republican? Or just those women who used to be men? It's not a question of a woman supporting the Republicans... many do. BC Chick was pointing out the absurdity of Jenner supporting a candidate who was a featured speaker at Kevin Swanson's conference a few months back... Kevin Swanson being the "preacher" famous for advocating the death penalty for LGBT Americans. Cruz has vowed to do his darndest to do whatever it takes to undo every legal protection that LGBT people have gained over the years. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 It's not a question of a woman supporting the Republicans... many do. BC Chick was pointing out the absurdity of Jenner supporting a candidate who was a featured speaker at Kevin Swanson's conference a few months back... Kevin Swanson being the "preacher" famous for advocating the death penalty for LGBT Americans. Cruz has vowed to do his darndest to do whatever it takes to undo every legal protection that LGBT people have gained over the years. -k I'm not a Cruz guy, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Sure, maybe he wants to allow bakeries to act on their beliefs, but lets face it, gays only raise hell at these places for the reason to antagonize the religious people. IOW, "you have to respect me and my lifestyle, but I don't have to respect yours". Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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