BC_chick Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Posted March 7, 2016 Cruz not only rejects SSM, he's against civil unions. It goes well beyond respecting the wishes of bakers who don't want to cater SS marriages. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Cruz not only rejects SSM, he's against civil unions. It goes well beyond respecting the wishes of bakers who don't want to cater SS marriages. But SSM is legal right? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
BC_chick Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Posted March 7, 2016 But SSM is legal right? Kimmy explained it to you. Post 24. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Kimmy explained it to you. Post 24.No, she didn't. So, maybe you can answer the question, but I doubt it. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
BC_chick Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Posted March 7, 2016 Yes she did, very clearly. Read her last paragraph in post 24. Also, the link she left in the same post. Caitlyn Jenner is a poor candidate for a supporter for Ted Cruz. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Actually, Caitlyn Jenner is an excellent candidate for support and media attention, including Ted Cruz. Television, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, etc.....lots of followers for Jenner and his franchise. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Yes she did, very clearly. Read her last paragraph in post 24. Also, the link she left in the same post. Caitlyn Jenner is a poor candidate for a supporter for Ted Cruz. You said Cruz rejects same sex marriage, I'm asking you if SSM is legal. Well...? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 So, he can get breasts, put on a dress and claim he's a woman and get all the lefties in agreeance saying "hey yeah, she can be whatever she wants", he is touted as a brave woman on the cover of Vanity fair and everyone's good, he can be voted woman of the year to tremendous applause from the left, all the while ducking from the charges of killing someone. But, say he wants to support a republican and all of the sudden, it's "she can't do that". Look, the dude is a first class nutcase. And you've all bought into it, until he votes republican. Classic! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 It's not a question of a woman supporting the Republicans... many do. BC Chick was pointing out the absurdity of Jenner supporting a candidate who was a featured speaker at Kevin Swanson's conference a few months back... Kevin Swanson being the "preacher" famous for advocating the death penalty for LGBT Americans. Cruz has vowed to do his darndest to do whatever it takes to undo every legal protection that LGBT people have gained over the years. -k Jenner has admitted that she knows this too, which is why she's an idiot. She just seems to think other issues are "more important" which shines a giant spotlight on the kind of privilege she has since those more important issues to,her are almost certain,y about her wealth. Meanwhile, the vast majority if trans people struggle with unemployment and discrimination until they have enough money and support that they can pass. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
kimmy Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 But, say he wants to support a republican and all of the sudden, it's "she can't do that". Look, the dude is a first class nutcase. And you've all bought into it, until he votes republican. Classic! Again, it's not that she's supporting Republicans, it's that she's offering to act as an "LGBT ambassador" to the most virulently anti-LGBT candidate since ... Michele Bachmann at the very least. Offering to be Ted Cruz's LGBT ambassador is conceptually similar to offering to be Adolf Hitler's Jewish Outreach ambassador. "The gas chamber policy turns a lot of people off, but his economic policies make a lot of sense!" -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Again, it's not that she's supporting Republicans, it's that she's offering to act as an "LGBT ambassador" to the most virulently anti-LGBT candidate since ... Michele Bachmann at the very least. Offering to be Ted Cruz's LGBT ambassador is conceptually similar to offering to be Adolf Hitler's Jewish Outreach ambassador. "The gas chamber policy turns a lot of people off, but his economic policies make a lot of sense!" Godwin's Law proven yet again. Jenner can choose to be an ambassador to anyone or any group, regardless of ideology. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Godwin's Law proven yet again. Jenner can choose to be an ambassador to anyone or any group, regardless of ideology.Your argument here is banal and has no purpose nor does it do anything to address kimmy's point. You're dismissing kimmy's argument using Godwin's Law when point of fact is that Cruz has literally attended an event where a pastor proclaimed that people in the LGBTQ community it should be put to death. More to the point Cruz refused to condemn those comments. So the comparison to Hitler is not only a valid simile, it's an apt one and a sound conclusion. Jenner doing LGBTQ outreach for Cruz is like Hitler having a Jewish outreach ambassador. Godwin's Law doesn't invalidate an argument simply by the existence of any Nazi comparison. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Your argument here is banal and has no purpose nor does it do anything to address kimmy's point. You're dismissing kimmy's argument using Godwin's Law when point of fact is that Cruz has literally attended an event where a pastor proclaimed that people in the LGBTQ community it should be put to death. Correct...how very astute of you to point this out. Thank you for reinforcing this notion of Godwin's Law and how laughable it always is. More to the point Cruz refused to condemn those comments. So the comparison to Hitler is not only a valid simile, it's an apt one and a sound conclusion. Jenner doing LGBTQ outreach for Cruz is like Hitler having a Jewish outreach ambassador. Godwin's Law doesn't invalidate an argument simply by the existence of any Nazi comparison. Yes it does....Jenner may choose to do whatever for whomever without invoking comparisons to Hitler. Ambassadors are often called on to represent interests in opposition environments. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Again, it's not that she's supporting Republicans, it's that she's offering to act as an "LGBT ambassador" to the most virulently anti-LGBT candidate since ... Michele Bachmann at the very least. Offering to be Ted Cruz's LGBT ambassador is conceptually similar to offering to be Adolf Hitler's Jewish Outreach ambassador. "The gas chamber policy turns a lot of people off, but his economic policies make a lot of sense!" -k Ok, at least you guys now realize that Jenner is crazy and out of touch with reality. It took you a little longer, but we're all here together now. As for the gay marriage thing; it's not an issue any more. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 Yes it does....Jenner may choose to do whatever for whomever without invoking comparisons to Hitler. Ambassadors are often called on to represent interests in opposition environments.Jenner can do whatever ffor whomever, but doesn't get to control the criticism she gets for what she does. That's not how free speech works. Why are you suddenly advocating for censorship and shielding Jenner from criticism? It's a bit hypocritical when you continue to refer to her as him, don't you think? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Jenner can do whatever ffor whomever, but doesn't get to control the criticism she gets for what she does. That's not how free speech works. Why are you suddenly advocating for censorship and shielding Jenner from criticism? It's a bit hypocritical when you continue to refer to her as him, don't you think? Nobody has called for any censorship....just pointed out another laughable instance of Godwin's Law. She will always be a he to me on my Wheaties cereal box. I know that's an American cultural reference, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Canadians bought cereal boxes with American Olympic Gold Medal winners on the cover. Edited March 7, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 I don't think Godwin's Law applies when you're talking about real Nazis, and Kevin Swanson is as close as you can get to the genuine article without a time machine. Also on the Godwin's Law front, another of Cruz's evangelical endorsements is from Mike Bickle, who believes that Hitler was a "hunter" sent by God to make Jews convert to Christianity. Bickle is a big name in evangelical circles because he's the leader of IHOP (not the pancake restaurant, the International House of Prayer.) IHOP members are among the American evangelicals (along with Scott Lively) who were involved in promoting the (still on the Godwin's Law front...) "Death to Gays" law in Uganda. Ted has interesting fans. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 I don't think Godwin's Law applies when you're talking about real Nazis, and Kevin Swanson is as close as you can get to the genuine article without a time machine. This claim is libelous in my opinion, as Kevin Swanson is not a Nazi at any point in time. His bigotry against homosexuals was Canadian law until 1969, and was still government and public policy well into the 1990's. Playing the Nazi card is intellectually lazy and insults the victims of that time. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 This claim is libelous in my opinion, as Kevin Swanson is not a Nazi at any point in time. His bigotry against homosexuals was Canadian law until 1969, and was still government and public policy well into the 1990's. Uh, no. Homosexuality was never punished by execution in Canada. There's a very short list of things that could get you executed by the government in Canada, and homosexuality was never on that list. Calling for government execution of large groups of people is certainly Nazi-like, and if Swanson wants to pursue legal action against the people who've pointed out, he's going to have a tough time. Playing the Nazi card is intellectually lazy and insults the victims of that time. In a world where we have Grammar Nazis, FemiNazis, Soup Nazis, Fitness Nazis, and probably many other kinds of Nazis as well, I think it's a little late to try and preserve that word for the exclusive use of the victims of the Holocaust. It's in the public lexicon and it's not coming out. Your complaint reminds me of a Jon Stewart bit in which Stewart shows the lady from Fox And Friends complaining that the phrase "the War on Women" is offensive to people who have fought in actual wars. Stewart's response to that was to play long series of Fox personalities, including the lady herself, saying "the War on Christmas", "the War on Religion", "the War on Obesity", "the War on Salt", "the War on Cellulite", "the War on Cholesterol", and many others. Is it intellectually lazy to call Swanson, Bickle, and their ilk Nazis? Is it intellectually lazy to deflect the point by griping about semantics and complaining that it's offensive to Jews? I dunno. The point is that Cruz has publicly aligned himself with hate-mongers. Bryan Fischer is now on Team Cruz as well; I won't call Fischer a Nazi as he's never advocated for mass executions as far as I know. And if those are the kind of people Ted Cruz is proud to rub elbows with, he should wear the consequences. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
cybercoma Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 And the point all along is that Cruz supports people who call for the death of the LGBTQ community and Jenner wants to align herself with that. Jenner is an idiot. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
overthere Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 She's been a republican all her life, it's not publicity. You cannot be serious. OK, I get it. You do not understand how this works for old celebs/attention whores. You think this is about votes or something political. It isn't. I'll explain. Of any of the remaining candidates, Sanders is the one with the strongest support from a community with 'alternative sexuality'. Trump and Cruz are the least likely to think like a Jenner and/or hher newly embraced community, therefore they are the ones most likely to be endorsed by the Jenner. . What an attention whore like Jenner wants is to be noticed he must endorse the candidate that garners the most attention for Jenner. Lets say that together: JENNER. Why? Because it will boost paid appearances on talk shows, enhance her reality TV show revenues, and gain the most attention. It is a strong effort to monetize himself, his 'personalty' since he has no remaining skills, talents or intelligence of his own to sell. And it works. See your posts above. Jenner wants people to note her, watch her, and get sponsors to pay for her ongoing 'celebrity'. And she is getting what she wants. I sincerely doubt she gives a solitary shit about who wins or loses an election. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
BC_chick Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Posted March 8, 2016 Bruce Jenner was a staunch republican. Kris Jenner is too. Kim Kardasian talked about it during the 2012 election when all the children supported Obama while the parents didn't. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
overthere Posted March 9, 2016 Report Posted March 9, 2016 totally irrelevant. This is about money, not politics. Occasionally those two things are different. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
BC_chick Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Posted March 9, 2016 So you think Bruce Jenner, the staunch republican, became a Sanders supporter upon transitioning but is now faking being a republican even though that's what she's been for over 60 years? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
overthere Posted March 9, 2016 Report Posted March 9, 2016 I think Caitlyn Jenner is working hard to drive folks like you to his reality show and website. Because views=$. And it is working very well. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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