bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 More Trump inspired FEAR from Canada...this version is nicknamed "CARMAGEDDON": Quote Canadian businesses warned Ottawa Tuesday that the hefty import taxes the Trump administration is threatening to impose on Canadian-made autos would seriously damage this country’s’ economy. “A 25-per-cent tariff on cars and parts would cause what we like to call a Carmageddon,” Flavio Volpe, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, told a Commons committee hearing. “The industry operates on single-digit margins, and it would grind to a halt as a result of a 25 per cent increase in price,” he cautioned. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-canadian-industry-fears-carmageddon-if-auto-sector-hit-with-us/ Be afraid...be very afraid. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More Trump inspired FEAR from Canada...this version is nicknamed "CARMAGEDDON": Be afraid...be very afraid. uh oh looks like the canucks are buckling like the chinese. I'm really curious to see end result out of all these trade disagreement. If everyone cave in then it'll be a huge victory for trump domestically. But most importantly it will define the new world order with better relationship between all nation and prosperity will continue to flourish. Quote
turningrite Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, paxrom said: uh oh looks like the canucks are buckling like the chinese. I'm really curious to see end result out of all these trade disagreement. If everyone cave in then it'll be a huge victory for trump domestically. But most importantly it will define the new world order with better relationship between all nation and prosperity will continue to flourish. The problem with your argument, at least where Canada is concerned, is that polling suggests a majority of Americans don't concur with Trump's trade attacks on Canada (see link below). The implications of Trump's behavior could be quite negative for many American workers. His absurd aluminum and steel tariffs only hurt American businesses, particularly where aluminum is concerned. American-made products are cheaper for domestic consumers and to compete in export markets because Canada has a distinct competitive advantage in aluminum production due to access to inexpensive hydroelectric power in the main producing provinces (Quebec and B.C.). This competitive advantage is passed on to American manufacturers in the form of lower production input costs, which is the way beneficial trade is supposed to work. Trump seems to believe that competitive advantage is only obtained by cheating. What does that say about him personally and what does it say about his understanding of economics? https://globalnews.ca/news/4276199/americans-justin-trudeau-trade-spat-donald-trump-poll/ Edited June 27, 2018 by turningrite Quote
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, turningrite said: The problem with your argument, at least where Canada is concerned, is that polling suggests a majority of Americans don't concur with Trump's trade attacks on Canada (see link below). The implications of Trump's behavior could be quite negative for many American workers. His absurd aluminum and steel tariffs only hurt American businesses, particularly where aluminum is concerned. American-made products are cheaper for domestic consumers and to compete in export markets because Canada has a distinct competitive advantage in aluminum production due to access to inexpensive hydroelectric power in the main producing provinces (Quebec and B.C.). This competitive advantage is passed on to American manufacturers in the form of lower production input costs, which is the way beneficial trade is supposed to work. Trump seems to believe that competitive advantage is only obtained by cheating. What does that say about him personally and what does it say about his understanding of economics? Aluminium and steel industries are key to national defense its something worth protecting that being said... Its not about Canada, we know you guys wouldn't hurt a fly but its about china and their trade practices, you see the Chinese have been importing cheap high quality steel into the us through Canada by relabeling them as Canadian steel. Steel production technique that they stole from us... For some reason your government has decided to drag their feet in confronting these trade practices by china so Trump acted. Oh its not only canada by the way its all the other nafta/ eu countries as well. This is something Obama confronted as well but to no avail. https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/the-truth-about-trumps-trade-tariffs/ Edited June 27, 2018 by paxrom Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 Hurting consumers with supply management in Canada (e.g. dairy) has been the status quo for decades, so a counter argument for Trump's impact on America consumers rings hollow. Many products in the U.S. are cheaper than in Canada for lots of reasons having to do with government policies and barriers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
turningrite Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 9 hours ago, paxrom said: Aluminium and steel industries are key to national defense its something worth protecting that being said... Its not about Canada, we know you guys wouldn't hurt a fly but its about china and their trade practices, you see the Chinese have been importing cheap high quality steel into the us through Canada by relabeling them as Canadian steel. Steel production technique that they stole from us... For some reason your government has decided to drag their feet in confronting these trade practices by china so Trump acted. Oh its not only canada by the way its all the other nafta/ eu countries as well. This is something Obama confronted as well but to no avail. https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/the-truth-about-trumps-trade-tariffs/ The funny thing here, though, is that the U.S. Commerce Secretary admitted a few days ago that Canada is not actually a security concern where steel (and presumably aluminum) tariffs are concerned. The implication in his position is that the tariffs serve as a negotiating tool in the NAFTA discussions. (See link below.) I realize the U.S. was, in part, trying to circumvent back door access to U.S. markets for U.S. steel, but Trump's heavy-handed tariff approach can best be described as ham-handed. A short while ago, national security was also raised as a rationale to employ presidential fiat to undermine Bombardier's interests in the U.S., a strategy that was later overturned when the U.S. International Trade Commission rejected the White House's logic. Under attack from the Americans, Bombardier forged an alliance with Airbus and effectively sold the product line to it that the Americans were trying to block from U.S. markets, thus strengthening Airbus, which is the biggest foreign competitor to U.S. commercial interests in both American and global airplane markets. I think the general effect of this kind of behavior is best described as blowback. Similar blowback is now occurring with Harley Davidson's decision to serve the EU market with production from outside of the U.S. in order to circumvent the effects of Trump's tariff tantrums. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-us-commerce-secretary-says-canada-is-not-a-national-security-threat/ Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 Canadian trade reps don't like this game of chicken...want Trudeau's gang of incompetent boobs to make a deal and make it now ! I can see FEAR in their eyes....and winter is coming. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 9 hours ago, turningrite said: The funny thing here, though, is that the U.S. Commerce Secretary admitted a few days ago that Canada is not actually a security concern where steel (and presumably aluminum) tariffs are concerned. The implication in his position is that the tariffs serve as a negotiating tool in the NAFTA discussions. (See link below.) I realize the U.S. was, in part, trying to circumvent back door access to U.S. markets for U.S. steel, but Trump's heavy-handed tariff approach can best be described as ham-handed. A short while ago, national security was also raised as a rationale to employ presidential fiat to undermine Bombardier's interests in the U.S., a strategy that was later overturned when the U.S. International Trade Commission rejected the White House's logic. Under attack from the Americans, Bombardier forged an alliance with Airbus and effectively sold the product line to it that the Americans were trying to block from U.S. markets, thus strengthening Airbus, which is the biggest foreign competitor to U.S. commercial interests in both American and global airplane markets. I think the general effect of this kind of behavior is best described as blowback. Similar blowback is now occurring with Harley Davidson's decision to serve the EU market with production from outside of the U.S. in order to circumvent the effects of Trump's tariff tantrums. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-us-commerce-secretary-says-canada-is-not-a-national-security-threat/ Why don't you contact your government representative and tell them to sign up for Trump's free trade proposal. He said it out loud plain and simple, no tariffs no subsidies no barriers. True free trade. You're not going to find a better deal else where. You think china or any other country is going to give a you a better deal than that? Get real, China has been practicing predatory economics and enslaving their neighbors whilst trying to ripoff and steal intellectual property from the west. What makes you think they will give you a better deal than what they gave the US, the world's largest and best economy. Your fate lies with us Canada, the sooner you wake up and realize it the better. It's for your own damn good. Even Europe is waking up to these realities. Quote
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 5:03 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: More Trump inspired FEAR from Canada...this version is nicknamed "CARMAGEDDON": Be afraid...be very afraid. We know what happens when fascists take over. You couldn’t posdibly be our friends when you are now in the company of dictators and killers, you might think short term is good for you. But I can tell you what will happen long term and you won’t like it, Quote
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 5:16 PM, paxrom said: uh oh looks like the canucks are buckling like the chinese. I'm really curious to see end result out of all these trade disagreement. If everyone cave in then it'll be a huge victory for trump domestically. But most importantly it will define the new world order with better relationship between all nation and prosperity will continue to flourish. Your arrogance is stunning .only serve to get you hurt. Quote
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 The concern Canadians have for trade with their largest trading partner is understandable, but look at the intellectual ability of the ugly American framing it as fear. Quote
OftenWrong Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) On 6/26/2018 at 8:16 PM, paxrom said: uh oh looks like the canucks are buckling like the chinese. I'm really curious to see end result out of all these trade disagreement. If everyone cave in then it'll be a huge victory for trump domestically. But most importantly it will define the new world order with better relationship between all nation and prosperity will continue to flourish. Sounds pretty cool. Any nations in particular? For example, Turkai... Edited June 28, 2018 by OftenWrong Quote
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 Meanwhile watching the American debt and deficit rise while the gop destroys the country is where the real fear should be, Quote
paxamericana Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Meanwhile watching the American debt and deficit rise while the gop destroys the country is where the real fear should be, Jimm why don't we make a bet, if america doesn't destroy it self you'll promises to come down and visit me eh? I'll show you a fascist heaven like you've never seen before. If america does destroy it self don't worry I'll come to you with all my fascist ideals. Sounds like a win win for you . Quote
paxamericana Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, Jimwd said: The concern Canadians have for trade with their largest trading partner is understandable, but look at the intellectual ability of the ugly American framing it as fear. More like playful teasing of our little brother who we know can't resist. Quote
paxamericana Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Your arrogance is stunning .only serve to get you hurt. Just playing my role like every proud obnoxious American. We have a reputation to up hold. 1 Quote
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, paxrom said: Jimm why don't we make a bet, if america doesn't destroy it self you'll promises to come down and visit me eh? I'll show you a fascist heaven like you've never seen before. If america does destroy it self don't worry I'll come to you with all my fascist ideals. Sounds like a win win for you . Sorry I don’t speak russian 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimwd said: We know what happens when fascists take over. You couldn’t posdibly be our friends when you are now in the company of dictators and killers, you might think short term is good for you. But I can tell you what will happen long term and you won’t like it, If America want's fascists, then it shall have fascists, just like FDR and his New Deal....elected many times. You seem more worried about it than me....in another country. I don't care what you do in Canada....but you will keep fretting about the United States because that's a Canadian value. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimwd said: Meanwhile watching the American debt and deficit rise while the gop destroys the country is where the real fear should be, Sure, like it has never happened before. The U.S. also went into debt to pay for your fallen empire's broke ass wars and aftermath. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jimwd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sure, like it has never happened before. The U.S. also went into debt to pay for your fallen empire's broke ass wars and aftermath. Iraq has wmds.......torture,,,,........ abu graighb ,,,,, 6 trillion in war debt ... Financial crash.... bush Cheney war criminals Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2018 Author Report Posted July 13, 2018 Very easy now to find media reports of Canadian FEAR of President Trump....here is another one: Quote MONTREAL — Canadian fruit growers fear that U.S. produce destined for China may be diverted closer to home and flood their market following the imposition of new tariffs. Ontario Apple Growers general manager Kelly Ciceran says the 15 per cent tariff on fruit such as apples, cherries, peaches, raspberries and cranberries will likely lead to more U.S. produce hitting Canadian stores, putting pressure on prices. https://ipolitics.ca/2018/04/03/canadian-producers-fear-u-s-will-flood-market-following-chinese-tariffs-2/ FEAR...it's a great motivator ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Posted July 18, 2018 Uh-oh...Trump is going after uranium imports next....more FEAR for Canada ! Quote The Trump administration began an investigation into whether uranium imports threaten national security, a move that may lead to tariffs on the nuclear power plant fuel. The Commerce Department said Wednesday it will probe “whether the present quantity and circumstances of uranium ore and product imports into the U.S. threaten to impair the national security.” The probe will cover the entire uranium sector, from the mining industry to enrichment, defence and industrial consumption, the department said. https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/mining/trade-war-spills-into-uranium-as-u-s-weighs-import-tariffs Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
taxme Posted July 19, 2018 Report Posted July 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 4:23 PM, Jimwd said: Several bankruptcies indicate otherwise Bankruptcies happen every day in America and even here in Kanuckistan also. Surprise! So, what's your point? When one has been involved in so many businesses there are bound to be maybe one or two bankruptcy's that will happen sometime. Geez Omni, never going to end looking for something to bash Trump on, will you? That TDS problem is still spinning around in your brain, eh? Aw well. Quote
taxme Posted July 19, 2018 Report Posted July 19, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 7:24 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: If America want's fascists, then it shall have fascists, just like FDR and his New Deal....elected many times. You seem more worried about it than me....in another country. I don't care what you do in Canada....but you will keep fretting about the United States because that's a Canadian value. It's a Canadian tradition and a part of our Canadian culture and religion to want to bash America. A bit of jealousy here maybe? If our Canadian left wing liberal media did not have America to bash around, they might have to bash our own dumb leaderless politicians for a change. Now that would be a welcome thing for a change for them to be doing especially for that CBC left wing outfit to take up. Plenty of worse things going on in countries like China, Saudi Arabia, South Africa and North Korea to talk about but yet America always seems to come to their Canadians mind. Why is that? I am truly baffled by this. I care about what is going on in Canada and not so much of a care about what goes on in America. But sometimes I am forced to get involved in American politics. Sad but true. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Posted August 6, 2018 More Canadian FEAR of Trump as reality sets in...Trump is not going away anytime soon. Where is the "great America" that Canada could hate but still depend on ? Quote ...Everything for everyone now depends on the United States, but it’s a tale of two Americas: the isolationist America of a century and a half after the War of Independence, and the global-leader America that emerged between 1932 (FDR) and 2016 (Obama). Was the latter an aberration or one more step forward for an increasingly great America able to make its next big forward pivot? Is Donald Trump’s America a temporary setback or a revived American isolationism? Canada must now assume the mostly safe – for Canada – United States of the past 85 years may be gone for many years. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-must-act-fast-on-trade-and-competitiveness-to-counter-trump/ Oh dear...oh my...what will Canada do ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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