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11 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Feel free to spend money in a drug war zone where the cartel own most of the government and businesses because you think America is bullying you. The stuff they do to people in mexico makes detroit look like child's play. 

Well, Fast and Furious worked out well for the USA.  That was gun running to Mexican drug cartels in hopes of tracing the guns when used, but instead many of those guns were smuggled back into the USA.  Well the intention was to trace them somehow, but I guess that was not effective.

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More Canadian FEAR of Trump....and admitted obsession with U.S. politics:

 

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Like all Canadians, I am heavily invested in American politics. And like most Canadians, I’m highly allergic to Donald Trump. Naturally, I really want the Democrats to beat him.

The chances that the Democrats will retake the House of Representatives this November are looking pretty good. But I can’t say I’m too optimistic about 2020. In my view any party that turns Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez into a poster girl is not a party that is serious about getting back into power.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-democrats-are-self-destructing-again/#c-image-0

... So here’s my free advice to Democrats. Give the culture wars a break. Forget about transgender bathroom rights. Stop identifying everyone by the intersectional boxes they tick off. Start calling out the campus radicals – on all sides. Start talking up the United States for a change, instead of condemning it as some sort of racist hellhole. Act as if you care as much for struggling Americans as you do for unauthorized immigrants. Play down the socialists. And please, please find a mainstream candidate for 2020 that ordinary people can relate to. Is that too much to ask?

 

Yes...it is too much to ask...U.S. political choices are for Americans to make, not foreign nationals.

 

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think most Americans and Canadians would agree with that article.  I don’t know how identity politics became more important than jobs.  

 

Either way, Americans will make that choice, not FEARful Canadians from across the border.

The Liberals who just got there asses kicked in Ontario by Doug Ford didn't follow their own advice.

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I don't really know what you're talking about.  You have to bring context to discussions.  You're in a forum discussing Canada-U.S. relations.  Ontario has a different context from Canada's federal government.  The Liberals were in power for 15 years prior to Ford's win.  Enough with your fear crap.  Try to get lucky with a Trump fan.  Seriously, try to be happy.

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don't really know what you're talking about.  You have to bring context to discussions.  You're in a forum discussing Canada-U.S. relations.  Ontario has a different context from Canada's federal government.  The Liberals were in power for 15 years prior to Ford's win.  Enough with your fear crap.  Try to get lucky with a Trump fan.  Seriously, try to be happy.

 

That's OK....this thread is specifically dedicated to any Canadian FEAR about Trump that I can dig up.    It has not been hard to find examples before and after President Trump was elected and inaugurated.  

As for Ontario, some Canadians had so much FEAR they injected Trump and "Trumpism" into the Ontario election campaign...but Ford won anyway in a landslide.

FEAR is a great motivator !

 

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Ford was elected mainly because people were tired of Liberal interventionism in every aspect of life and the overspending that goes with it.  That’s not necessarily the same thing as everyone wanting to scrap environmental agreements, minimum wage, and certain other more left-leaning policies, though we don’t get to pick and choose.  Ford has a typical conservative agenda and he’s been given a mandate for it. 

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ford was elected mainly because people were tired of Liberal interventionism in every aspect of life and the overspending that goes with it.  That’s not necessarily the same thing as everyone wanting to scrap environmental agreements, minimum wage, and certain other more left-leaning policies, though we don’t get to pick and choose.  Ford has a typical conservative agenda and he’s been given a mandate for it. 

 

Agreed, but that did not stop Kathleen Wynne and others in Canadian media from trying to stoke FEARs of Donald Trump during the election to gain political advantage.   But as you stated, Wynne was so uniformly hated in Ontario, it didn't matter.   Here she is desperately trying to draw the Ford/Trump parallel:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1213779523581

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She needed to go.  Wynne and McGuinty accomplished a lot: creating the Greenbelt, phasing out coal, expanding Kindergarten, making university more affordable.  I know some of that was expensive, but I think our society has benefitted from it.  On the other hand, there was the ORNGE fiasco, ehealth mismanagement, the natural gas plant cancellation penalty.  They got quite into identity politics.  It's not so much that most people didn't agree with things like the freedom to form gay-straight alliances or other such social movements.  It was the fact that government was making such moves the centerpiece and focus of its work.  People felt like they were being told how to think and feel about a range of issues.  That's not the core role of government.  It's tricky, because many of these policies will appeal to or abhor you depending on your position, like your position on abortion in regard to the funding of Planned Parenthood in the U.S.  If you're from China or an Eastern European country and you fought your way to come to Canada, then you're told that more content is being added to the sex ed curriculum or that transgender procedures may be funded out of your tax dollars, you might wonder what the advantage was of coming here. 

Again, it's not necessarily because you don't support free surgery for sex change operations or that you don't want a revised sex ed curriculum.  Maybe it's that you don't feel government should be in the business of some of these things.  It's hard, because, depending on where you stand, these could all be virtuous social justice issues that need to be addressed by government.  I think for the Liberals it was just too much focus on special interests and pet projects for too long.  My main concern with Ford is that I'm not yet convinced that he has the team to effectively improve Ontario's economy, and not just in a superficial way of putting a few extra bucks in our pockets through tax cuts.  He should have kept cap and trade for sure.  It's necessary to force a cut to emissions.  I prefer cap and trade to a carbon tax.  Anyway, not really the subject of this thread.

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15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

....  My main concern with Ford is that I'm not yet convinced that he has the team to effectively improve Ontario's economy, and not just in a superficial way of putting a few extra bucks in our pockets through tax cuts.  He should have kept cap and trade for sure.  It's necessary to force a cut to emissions.  I prefer cap and trade to a carbon tax.  Anyway, not really the subject of this thread.

 

Regardless of his positions and policy changes, Doug Ford is no Donald Trump, and attempts to paint him that way failed.   It is just one example of the FEAR that some Canadians have for the president of another nation, stoked daily in Canadian media.

Yesterday, several U.S. states held primary elections to select party candidates in the November general election, and Canadian media was all over it like the end of Donald Trump was nearer to ending their FEARs and fulfilling their cross border desires (e.g. control of the U.S. House, Senate, Supreme Court appointees, impeachment trial, etc.).

I can say with some confidence that Americans do not follow Canadian politics to this extreme or with such angst.

 

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Ha ha.  Wow, do you really think Canadians could hope for so much?  It would be amazing if we had that kind of influence.  We're well aware that Americans have to make their own decisions about what works best for them.  But sure, we'd be happy to set policy for you if you like.  I know you don't want "liberal snowflake" Canadians influencing affairs down there.   Don't worry, the U.S. is always right of Canada politically.  We understood that a long time ago.   

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On 8/7/2018 at 1:14 PM, paxamericana said:

Don't believe the fake news about trump tax cut. See my post on growth and how it can pay for the tax-cut in the NAFTA debate. I think 2/3rd of the corporate tax cut has already been paid for by the growth, its expected to be fully paid for by the end of 2019. 

Trump is trying to lower taxes for everyone not just corporation. That's why he is working on a tax cut 2.0 but we will see how that gets to be implemented. Its the liberal progressive who want to raise taxes to 50 percent for the middle class. Conservative is trying to reduce taxes and welfare by increasing jobs. Conservative mean limited government not more. 

 

A quick look and that guy looks more like Ari Feisher. They almost look like twins. :)

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16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Regardless of his positions and policy changes, Doug Ford is no Donald Trump, and attempts to paint him that way failed.   It is just one example of the FEAR that some Canadians have for the president of another nation, stoked daily in Canadian media.

Yesterday, several U.S. states held primary elections to select party candidates in the November general election, and Canadian media was all over it like the end of Donald Trump was nearer to ending their FEARs and fulfilling their cross border desires (e.g. control of the U.S. House, Senate, Supreme Court appointees, impeachment trial, etc.).

I can say with some confidence that Americans do not follow Canadian politics to this extreme or with such angst.

 

So true. I watch American news most days and I never see or hear the American media ever mention anything about Canadian politics. The American media really don't give a chit about Canadian politics. Even when we have a federal election for the PM of Canada they just report on who won and that is it. But every hour of every day our Canadian leftist liberal so called media has to say something about Trump and is policies or what he said that day.

Like you said, the Canadian media even have to get involved and report on small primary elections. One would swear that anything going on in American politics has to be reported on by the Canadian media even though it does not effect Canada or Canadians in any way. The leftist liberal CBC is the worse for this. They are just as nuts as the likes of Colbert or Kimmel and Joy Behar. They just can't wait for their show to start so they can once again right at the beginning start to attack Trump. Colbert being the worse of them of the crazy leftist bunch of crybabies. 

Kid Trudeau with the help of the leftist liberal media in Canada is destroying this country and it's demographics and he gets a pass for what he is doing to Canada. But Trump seems to be their enemy yet none of them can explain as to why or where is Trump hurting them. Aw well, that is Canadians for you. They never seem to be able to look in their own back yard first. Disgusting indeed. :(

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16 minutes ago, taxme said:

So true. I watch American news most days and I never see or hear the American media ever mention anything about Canadian politics. The American media really don't give a chit about Canadian politics. Even when we have a federal election for the PM of Canada they just report on who won and that is it. But every hour of every day our Canadian leftist liberal so called media has to say something about Trump and is policies or what he said that day.

Like you said, the Canadian media even have to get involved and report on small primary elections. One would swear that anything going on in American politics has to be reported on by the Canadian media even though it does not effect Canada or Canadians in any way. The leftist liberal CBC is the worse for this. They are just as nuts as the likes of Colbert or Kimmel and Joy Behar. They just can't wait for their show to start so they can once again right at the beginning start to attack Trump. Colbert being the worse of them of the crazy leftist bunch of crybabies. 

Kid Trudeau with the help of the leftist liberal media in Canada is destroying this country and it's demographics and he gets a pass for what he is doing to Canada. But Trump seems to be their enemy yet none of them can explain as to why or where is Trump hurting them. Aw well, that is Canadians for you. They never seem to be able to look in their own back yard first. Disgusting indeed. :(

Your last four sentences reveal that you’re not Canadian.  If you are, the self-loathing is pretty sad.  Maybe most Americans don’t care about Canada.  I’m not sure, but Canadians bloody well do care about Canada.  I realize that Americans know much less about their smaller neighbour than we know about the U.S.  I think that’s too bad, because each country can learn lessons from the other.  It might help solve real problems.  

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18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Your last four sentences reveal that you’re not Canadian.  If you are, the self-loathing is pretty sad.  Maybe most Americans don’t care about Canada.  I’m not sure, but Canadians bloody well do care about Canada.  I realize that Americans know much less about their smaller neighbour than we know about the U.S.  I think that’s too bad, because each country can learn lessons from the other.  It might help solve real problems.  

I AM CANADIAN. Will that now work for you?

Just trying to show my disgust and displeasure as to where my country is headed.

Dam right most Americans do not care about Canada. And why should they? Canadians care more about America than their own country. America appears to be always on their minds. 

And why are so many Canadians here so concerned about America all the time? What? Are most of them dual citizen's? If most Canadians do care about Canada then why don't they show it more often and show a lot less of their willingness to keep bashing America and Trump as much as they do. Trump is not hurting them. Trudeau is though. 

That is because Canadians and Americans watch more American TV and thus we all are always learning and know more about America than Canada. How many Canadians have traveled around the world but have not visited and seen all of their own country yet? Most would prefer to go to the states where there is more action and more excitement and fun going on and plus they have the better weather in winter to boot. I would personally like to see Canada become like Puerto Rico. Be American but not having to be all American and be able to use American currency rather that Canadian peso currency. 

I agree but that is the way things are. I think that Canadians and Americans are so much alike in everything we do that we do not see any difference between us and that Americans might not see Canada as much of a different country to want to go visit. There are no real problems between us. The only problems that Canadians have is that they are always trying to create problems between us by their constant attacks and bashing of Americans all the time. As if Canadians are the greatest people in the world or something and have no problems of their own. 

Of course thanks to our leftist liberal media they are the ones that are always trying to get Canadians all riled up over what America does or what Trump says or does. If the Canadian media kept their useless stupid mouths shut about America and Trump we would not be reading all that has been posted here. The leftist Canadian media is always trying to make us all hate America and Trump and it is working well for them. It's easy for someone to want to bash another than themselves. Canadians just need to stop reading and listening the Canadian media and their constant lies and bull chit about America and Trump. My opinion of course and I approve of this post. :D

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12 minutes ago, taxme said:

I AM CANADIAN. Will that now work for you?

Just trying to show my disgust and displeasure as to where my country is headed.

Dam right most Americans do not care about Canada. And why should they? Canadians care more about America than their own country. America appears to be always on their minds. 

 

 

Right on...keep fighting the good fight.

You know they are desperate when they call you UN-CANADIAN for not towing the party line.

 

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“taxme”, no Canadian would say such things.  Puerto Rico, really?   Sorry to say this, but the comments on here are too uninformed to warrant responses.  It’s supposedly a Canadian forum, but the range of opinions is so narrow.  Sad, because obviously some people on here need to become better informed and take civic responsibility more seriously, but it’s amateur hour.  There are certain standards you have to meet before your opinions can be taken seriously.  Here are a few:  Rascism, fascism, sexism, Islamophobia, and other stances that violate human rights and the U.S. Constitution are unacceptable.  Think about how to improve the world, not just one tribe, without prejudice in regard to race, colour or creed.  Find real sources for problems instead of stereotyped scapegoats.  We need big picture, global thinking and positive local action, not fear mongering and oppression. 

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With only 17% of hardcore supporters still standing by the idiot trump and less than a 40% general approval rating, and Mueller closing in on trump, we can likely look forward to the demise of the trumpism that is an ugly and likely racist reaction to Barack Obama (a black president) being in office for 8 years.  Here in Canada, we now have our own trump wannabe in the dashing figure of doug ford and cannot afford to be complacent.  He not only looks like trump but his moronic policies and self-serving, morally corrupt ideas are more than a little reminiscent of the orange "man" who wanted to be a president.  There is not surprise here.  Most of Ontarians loathe doug ford, thankfully.  His tenure will be in turns chaotic, ridiculous, infuriating, laughable, polarizing, dispiriting and sickening.  He has already covered all of those, in varying degrees,  in his first few months in office.  Ontarians and Canadians in general must stay vigilant and ensure that the childish and self-serving politics of these very limited men is short and loudly protested against in our democratic society - as we have seen in the past week at Queen's Park.  The invoking of the notwithstanding clause to flout the law to suit his own ends, clearly demonstrates what type of cretin we have at the helm. The 80% of Ontarians who did NOT vote for this moron will be watching, listening and protesting his every move.  It won't be pretty, but he won't last long.

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With only 17% of hardcore supporters still standing by the idiot trump and less than a 40% general approval rating, and Mueller closing in on trump, we can likely look forward to the demise of the trumpism that is an ugly and likely racist reaction to Barack Obama (a black president) being in office for 8 years.  Here in Canada....

 

Actually, Donald Trump got a larger percentage of the vote than did Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party of Canada, but Americans don't usually bother with such comparisons.  The American identity and experience is not defined by being NOT Canadian, unlike the title of this thread.

As for The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, he enjoys wide support (plurality) in Ontariario:

“The early policies of Premier Ford’s mandate have been met with wide-spread support among Ontarians.  A strong majority support much of what Premier Ford has announced, particularly the line-by-line audit.  The decisive win Premier Ford and the PC Party received last month has carried through to the early days of their mandate and Ontarians are lock-step with the government, so far.” said Eli Yufest, CEO of Campaign Research Inc.

Majority of Ontario Residents are in Support of Doug Ford’s First Actions as Premier

 

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 The 80% of Ontarians who did NOT vote for this moron will be watching, listening and protesting his every move.  It won't be pretty, but he won't last long.

Let's see some stats to back that up. So far what I've seen is strong support for Ford. His win smashed the Liberal party and the NDP, who many claimed would win, were once again relegated to the status of "those guys who never win". As for the notwithstanding clause, well that's been used some fifteen times in Canada already and a poll showed that 65% of respondents support Ford in his use of it. So...as I said, show us some stats to support your claims.

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I am happy to supply you with some math - 40% of the 52% of Ontarians who bothered to vote, voted for ford.  That brings him in at a resounding TWENTY PERCENT of Ontarians.  That is not what I would call a smash win - he is only the premier because of our ridiculous voting system.  So the other 80% loathe the guy - if not now, they soon will.

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Actually, Donald Trump got a larger percentage of the vote than did Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party of Canada, but Americans don't usually bother with such comparisons.  The American identity and experience is not defined by being NOT Canadian, unlike the title of this thread.

As for The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, he enjoys wide support (plurality) in Ontariario:

“The early policies of Premier Ford’s mandate have been met with wide-spread support among Ontarians.  A strong majority support much of what Premier Ford has announced, particularly the line-by-line audit.  The decisive win Premier Ford and the PC Party received last month has carried through to the early days of their mandate and Ontarians are lock-step with the government, so far.” said Eli Yufest, CEO of Campaign Research Inc.

Majority of Ontario Residents are in Support of Doug Ford’s First Actions as Premier

 

It seems to me all you do is compare Canada to the U.S.  What is your game?  The "honourable" doug ford is a barely literate thug - kind of like your most "honourable" prez.  And some math for you - 20% of Ontarians voted in this idiot.  (that would be 40% of the 52% of Ontarians who bothered to vote).  Hardly a strong majority.  It only happened because of our voting system, which sucks.

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Let's see some stats to back that up. So far what I've seen is strong support for Ford. His win smashed the Liberal party and the NDP, who many claimed would win, were once again relegated to the status of "those guys who never win". As for the notwithstanding clause, well that's been used some fifteen times in Canada already and a poll showed that 65% of respondents support Ford in his use of it. So...as I said, show us some stats to support your claims.

I am happy to supply you with some math - 40% of the 52% of Ontarians who bothered to vote, voted for ford.  That brings him in at a resounding TWENTY PERCENT of Ontarians.  That is not what I would call a smash win - he is only the premier because of our ridiculous voting system.  So the other 80% loathe the guy - if not now, they soon will.

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I am happy to supply you with some math - 40% of the 52% of Ontarians who bothered to vote, voted for ford.  That brings him in at a resounding TWENTY PERCENT of Ontarians.  That is not what I would call a smash win - he is only the premier because of our ridiculous voting system.  So the other 80% loathe the guy - if not now, they soon will.

So when Liberals or NDP win using that same system it's all hunky dory, but when the guys you don't like win then it's a ridiculous system. Alrighty then, carry on frothing at the mouth.

By the way, the only peoples opinions who count in this example are the ones who voted, and a lot more of those voted for him than the other losers who ran.

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