dre Posted February 25, 2016 Report Posted February 25, 2016 No, not really. Why not? What would happen? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted February 25, 2016 Report Posted February 25, 2016 Why not? What would happen? No, but that's why legislation needs to be crafted in a particular way. If weed is removed from the drug schedule, then could someone be charged for administering a noxious substance for spiking food and giving it to someone unexpectedly? What do we do about driving while high? What regulations will there be for sale and distribution? There's a lot of stuff to figure out. Frankly, I think the provinces should handle most of it as they do with alcohol. Healthcare, education, sale and distribution are all provincial jurisdictions. If Trudeau goes that way, then he should give the provinces time to coordinate. Quote
eyeball Posted February 25, 2016 Report Posted February 25, 2016 If weed is removed from the drug schedule, then could someone be charged for administering a noxious substance for spiking food and giving it to someone unexpectedly? Of course they should, tampering with food is a crime. What do we do about driving while high? Charge them with impaired driving and then prove that was actually the case in court. What regulations will there be for sale and distribution? There's a lot of stuff to figure out. Frankly, I think the provinces should handle most of it as they do with alcohol. Healthcare, education, sale and distribution are all provincial jurisdictions. If Trudeau goes that way, then he should give the provinces time to coordinate. No, he should get on with it and let them follow suit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dre Posted February 25, 2016 Report Posted February 25, 2016 Why not? What would happen? No, but that's why legislation needs to be crafted in a particular way. If weed is removed from the drug schedule, then could someone be charged for administering a noxious substance for spiking food and giving it to someone unexpectedly? What do we do about driving while high? What regulations will there be for sale and distribution? There's a lot of stuff to figure out. Frankly, I think the provinces should handle most of it as they do with alcohol. Healthcare, education, sale and distribution are all provincial jurisdictions. If Trudeau goes that way, then he should give the provinces time to coordinate. Sure but the provinces aren't going to set all this stuff up while there's still a federal ban. At the very least he should announce that it will be removed in X months so that preparation begins. From what I can tell nothing is being done at all. Also some US states, and some other countries were able to do this pretty quickly and easily. I don't think it will happen at all, and if it does it will probably be done in a way that benefits big pharmy companies, and other special interests that lobby well. The liberals have made and broken this same promise before. I'm a Trudeau supporter BTW... I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt but I'm skeptical. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
G Huxley Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 Trudeau has been a huge disappointment. The best part of his platform was legalization. He hasn't delivered on that. He has instead shown to be another Neoliberal/Neocon, driving up the debt and increasing the population via an influx of immigration. (Further destruction of the environment.) Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 The best part of his platform was legalization. He hasn't delivered on that. It's been what - less than 4 months? Quote
G Huxley Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 He should do it on day 1 as long as people are being convicted for something that shouldn't be a crime, and his government has shown that they aren't serious about it. Quote
Smallc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 They have to frame it properly to meet international obligations. Doing it on day 1 like that would not allow that. Quote
G Huxley Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Why are they waiting now to frame it? Why hadn't the frame been there before the election?Also we had this discussion before. The UN thing is a joke and hardly binding. The government could easily drop out of it. At the very least they could do what Chretien did and decriminalize it before proceeding to full re-legalization. Edited February 28, 2016 by G Huxley3 Quote
G Huxley Posted February 28, 2016 Report Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Trudeau is too busy filling the country with Islamic people rather than protecting Canadians' civil rights and the environment. After he and the conservatives are done there won`t be a Canada as we know it left. Edited February 28, 2016 by G Huxley3 Quote
Ash74 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Actually JT could have easily done it by legalizing it and letting the provinces decide how to regulate it. Wynne was on it like a fat kid on a smartie. She loves regulations and things to tax. Combined with giving it to the LCBO to keep her union buddies happy. The U.S has states that have legalized pot. What is holding us back? Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Actually JT could have easily done it by legalizing it and letting the provinces decide how to regulate it. Wynne was on it like a fat kid on a smartie. She loves regulations and things to tax. Combined with giving it to the LCBO to keep her union buddies happy. That's not what they promised to do. The U.S has states that have legalized pot. What is holding us back? It is still a federal crime to have or use it. It's technically not legal anywhere in the US. Quote
Ash74 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 True but The Federal Government is staying out of it. http://www.ibtimes.com/marijuana-legalization-2016-washington-dc-briefly-approves-private-pot-clubs-then-2251865 and since when do Liberals care about breaking promises? Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 and since when do Liberals care about breaking promises? This government seems to care about that. Quote
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 True but The Federal Government is staying out of it. And what happens when the Republicans win? Quote
Ash74 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 And what happens when the Republicans win? Which makes it even more important now to jump on this before that happens. Besides......We are a different country and all. Canadian. Different flag and everything. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Ash74 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 This government seems to care about that. K..Syrians.cough,cough,deficit....cough,cough Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Which makes it even more important now to jump on this before that happens. Besides......We are a different country and all. Canadian. Different flag and everything. Ahhh, you were the one who brought up the US. That's what I was talking about. Quote
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 K..Syrians.cough,cough,deficit....cough,cough Yeah, two months later...and a financial position that would have also made everyone else's balanced budget promise a lie. I think I'll need more than that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) And what happens when the Republicans win? Playing the usual "American card" won't work this time. Remember, Canada banned cannabis years before the United States. Edited February 29, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Playing the usual "American card" won't work this time. He was referring to the fact tat at current, the US government is not intervening in the states that have 'legalized' marijuana. Nice try though. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Actually JT could have easily done it by legalizing it and letting the provinces decide how to regulate it. He could do that. But when half the provinces turn around and make a mess of it, the opposition parties will pin the results back on him. So, I would like to see the Liberals go harder on this, I understand them wanting to take their time. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 He was referring to the fact tat at current, the US government is not intervening in the states that have 'legalized' marijuana. Nice try though. Oh yes it is, but that has nothing to do with trotting out the usual American bogeyman. Republicans ! What is a Canadian PM to do after making such promises ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 Oh yes it is, but that has nothing to do with trotting out the usual American bogeyman. Republicans ! It has no bearing on the Canadian effort to legalize marijuana, but rather, on the limbo status of marijuana in the states that have 'legalized' it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) It has no bearing on the Canadian effort to legalize marijuana, but rather, on the limbo status of marijuana in the states that have 'legalized' it. Half right...it has no bearing on Canada. U.S. states did not worry about what Canada/Trudeau would do or think. There is no limbo status in the U.S. More American bogeyman nonsense. Edited February 29, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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