"No Schedule" on Cannabis Legalization

[Smallc]

There is no limbo status in the U.S. More American bogeyman nonsense.

You're right - marijuana is completely illegal throughout the US. Back to the actual subject.

[bush_cheney2004]

You're right - marijuana is completely illegal throughout the US. Back to the actual subject.

Good idea...because the U.S. has nothing to do with Trudeau's legal dope promises to win votes.

[Smallc]

Good idea...because the U.S. has nothing to do with Trudeau's legal dope promises to win votes.

Never said it did. In fact, I didn't even bring it up.

[G Huxley]

How did I even forget Trudeau signing onto the TPP in list of bad moves.

[On Guard for Thee]

How did I even forget Trudeau signing onto the TPP in list of bad moves.

You think being able to read a document before you decide whether or not to sign it is a bad move? Psst, Harper is out of power now.

Edited February 29, 2016 by On Guard for Thee

[G Huxley]

Trudeau signed onto the same thing Harper was signing onto.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2497741/canada-has-signed-the-tpp-now-should-we-ratify-it/

Edited March 1, 2016 by G Huxley3

[nerve]

This article had me do a bit of a double check.

Wow with a title like "dope will not be decriminalized" is pretty harsh.

http://www.straight.com/news/648421/justin-trudeau-warns-marijuana-laws-havent-changed-yet-adds-decriminalization-not-going

Meanwhile in Detroit

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/99383921-story

Why is it that the country that forced Canada to make pot illegal has made it more legal than Canada has?

Edited March 2, 2016 by nerve

[eyeball]

“The laws haven’t changed yet,” Justin Trudeau said during an interview with News 1130 this morning (March 1). “Pot is still illegal in this country and will be until we bring in a strong regulatory framework.”

To bad this will collide with the screw-you attitude that decades of stupid pot laws have created. I would have thought Trudeau would get that and maybe he still does on some level but apparently his Goa'uld is too strong.

Meanwhile in Detroit...it looks like they're pretty much seized by the same moral panic our governments are.

"(It's) not the right kind of medicine...

The new rules are strict, too. No dispensaries can open within 1,000 feet of a liquor store,

/facepalm

Edited March 2, 2016 by eyeball

[eyeball]

Speaking of leading us from temptation, should the government allow marijuana to be sold anywhere near a grocery store?

[dre]

Why is it that the country that forced Canada to make pot illegal has made it more legal than Canada has?

In the US enforcement is less centralized. States can control their own enforcement so even though the federal government still considers pot to be illegal in states like Colorado, they only have the DEA and FBI to enforce the law, and the resources are limited. So states can end most of the enforcement from a practical standpoint. This allows for ballot initiatives that change state laws.

That's the direction Canada should go in as well. Decentralize power and move as much as we can away from the federal government to provincial, and even municipal governments, and just let the feds control trade, commerce, immigration, defence etc.

Don't get me wrong, Id love to have a strong central government and uniformity across provinces... but they suck at managing it. Canadians have polled in favor of legalizing marijuana for almost 25 years, and nothing has been done. They should either do what people want or get out of the way.

[dre]

Speaking of leading us from temptation, should the government allow marijuana to be sold anywhere near a grocery store?

You should be able to sell it IN the grocery store. Same rules as tobacco... no signage/advertising, keep it in drawers that kids cant see, impose stiff penalties on businesses caught selling to minors, put educational information on the labels warning people not to use it, and hire students to try to purchase it at random stores to bust businesses that don't comply.

Just use existing tobacco laws and the strategy and people we already have in place to enforce them.

[Boges]

You should be able to sell it IN the grocery store. Same rules as tobacco... no signage/advertising, keep it in drawers that kids cant see, impose stiff penalties on businesses caught selling to minors, put educational information on the labels warning people not to use it, and hire students to try to purchase it at random stores to bust businesses that don't comply.

Just use existing tobacco laws and the strategy and people we already have in place to enforce them.

But they won't. They'll more likely follow the alcohol model where the government controls where the products can be sold, the minimum price, and hours the product can be sold.

Or you could just continue to use your dealer tax free.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

Why is it that the country that forced Canada to make pot illegal has made it more legal than Canada has?

What country is that ? Canada scheduled cannabis as "illegal" (1923) years before the United States. Started with Canada's racist opium and narcotics acts.

[Topaz]

The CIA has been making a living selling drugs in the US and around the world since WW2 ended....r they still doing it?

[G Huxley]

http://www.straight.com/news/648421/justin-trudeau-warns-marijuana-laws-havent-changed-yet-adds-decriminalization-not-going

[Smallc]

And? You have to post some kind of commentary.

[Boges]

Well the article only goes to bolster the idea that JT has no interest in stopping people from being charged for a completely safe act.

It's the lie of social responsibility. You say that regulations are about safety but in reality it's all about trying to make money off of the product.

It seems enforcement will be just as high to ensure black market products are off of the market and that only duty paid cannabis should be used. Of course that's unenforceable.

Currently tobacco smokers in Ontario who feel that duty is too high can easily find alternatives at a fraction of the price.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Boges

[Smallc]

In order to properly craft the regulations and make it about safely, you can't just make it legal with no regulations. Otherwise, your plan lacks credibility. This is a long process and has to be.

[Boges]

In order to properly craft the regulations and make it about safely, you can't just make it legal with no regulations. Otherwise, your plan lacks credibility. This is a long process and has to be.

But it's a lie that it's about safety.

It's already an assumption that people, by and large, won't get criminal charges for simple possession nowadays. But for JT to fan the flames on the idea that it's still illegal makes me wonder if cops will be directed to heavily enforce the law up until legalization laws can be crafted.

But I doubt that because that'll cost cops money and not make them money. Now under a decriminalization model, ticketing can still be done, which I imagine will be common once there are legal ways to obtain the product.

I guess it's just an unwritten rule that it's decriminalized, sort of like on 100 km/h highways, you can go at least 120 km/h without fear of being ticketed.

Which, might I ad, I'm fine with.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Boges

[Smallc]

Whether it's actually about safety or not is irrelevant: it's about shaping the nerrative to comply with international obligations.

[Boges]

Whether it's actually about safety or not is irrelevant: it's about shaping the nerrative to comply with international obligations.

Funny, JT never mentioned that when he pledged to legalize it.

[Smallc]

Funny, JT never mentioned that when he pledged to legalize it.

In government, it's apparently turned out to be a more difficult task than first imagined. I don't blame them for that.

[eyeball]

In order to properly craft the regulations and make it about safely, you can't just make it legal with no regulations. Otherwise, your plan lacks credibility. This is a long process and has to be.

You'd be the perfect marijuana bureaucrat.

[dre]

But they won't. They'll more likely follow the alcohol model where the government controls where the products can be sold, the minimum price, and hours the product can be sold.

Oh I know... I don't expect any good legislation to come from the feds. They will make a program that nets them lots of revenue, allows them to hire more paper shufflers, and rewards large companies that lobby and bribe well.

I'm just saying what I would do personally.

Or you could just continue to use your dealer tax free.

Your dealer will probably stop dealing. Pot can be grown for 5-15 dollars per oz in an industrial scale operation. Even if the government taxed it 400% it would be cheaper than what your dealer likely sells it for. This is what we have seen with booze and cigarettes... small black market components still exist but they have a tiny tiny share of the market. You don't see a whole lot of people running illegal distillery operations for the purpose of trafficking. Some cigarette smuggling happens simply because we live next to a country where they cost much less, but its a tiny share of the market.

[bush_cheney2004]

So like cigarettes that are twice as expensive in Canada, Canadians will be crossing the border to buy cheaper gas...and legal dope.

Amazing....