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But Donald has said that if he becomes President he will build a wall along Mexico to stop the flow of illegal aliens. And I believe that he will.

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The border between the United States and Mexico stretches 3,145 kilometers (1,954 miles), from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. In some places, the border is only marked by a sign or a fence. In other places, the border is reinforced with barbed wire or tall steel barriers.

Do you really believe that anyone could build a fence that would keep people from going from Mexico to the USA?

Could you please describe what this fence (and manned by how many) would look like that could keep an enthusiastic individual who wanted to enter the USA from doing so?

How deep under ground? How high? Etc.

Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.

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My post is still u there. It doesn't say that Argus said immigration should be limited to white people but rather as you said that immigration should be reduced and be from Europe and avoid those who are culturally different like muslim countries (as you acknowledged too). My post did say that he admired the white skin and called other people as brown people in his posts.

I approach immigration from only one standpoint; What is good for Canada. I do not care what is good for foreigners. I do not care what is fair to foreigners. I do not believe our immigration system is some sort of world wide service for ambitious people. It is there to serve the needs of Canada.

According to the government's own stats, immigrants from Europe have two to three times the average earnings as people from most other parts of the world. This is almost certainly due to their higher levels of comparable education and technical skills, their similarity to Canadian cultural norms, and familiarity with our languages. What matters to me is not skin colour but how economically successful immigrants are here, and whether they bring in baggage consisting of backward and sometimes violent cultural and religious practices.

I have never expressed admiration for 'white skin', and my derisive commentary regarding 'brown people' is generally meant as a commentary on those who have different sets of standards for the behaviour of people based on their skin pigmentation. Liberal bigots, in other words, who make excuses for he barbaric and violent behaviour of cultures which consist of 'brown people'.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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Before belonging to Canada or Canadian society or white race or any race we belong to human race. Even if we are not responsible for the miseries abroad we still have a duty to help if we can help. That said if you feel that you only belong to Canadian society that is your right but still no excuse not to help out with those charities who help the poor and needy and runaway children and shelter abuse women in Canada. And there are plenty if you need a list PM me or simply Google search.

I don't have a problem with people helping people but do it with their own money, not mine. The government has no right or mandate to go throwing the taxpayer's hard-earned tax dollars to total strangers without the taxpayer's consent. The taxpayer's have no obligation to help strangers thousands of miles away. That is the dream of others who do not respect the taxpayer's tax dollars, and who feel that my money is also their money to blow. Again, the government should be asking we the people first, not some individuals or groups who want to spend other people's money as if it were their own. There are many Canadians struggling to feed and house and clothe their families, and should not be forced to feed the rest of the world. The bullet must be bitten, and this handing out money willy-nilly needs to stop. Our politicians need to be told once and for all that our tax dollars is not there's to spend foolishly. We need more common sense and logic from our politicians, not constant emotionalism. Enough already.

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I don't have a problem with people helping people but do it with their own money, not mine. The government has no right or mandate to go throwing the taxpayer's hard-earned tax dollars to total strangers without the taxpayer's consent. The taxpayer's have no obligation to help strangers thousands of miles away. That is the dream of others who do not respect the taxpayer's tax dollars, and who feel that my money is also their money to blow. Again, the government should be asking we the people first, not some individuals or groups who want to spend other people's money as if it were their own. There are many Canadians struggling to feed and house and clothe their families, and should not be forced to feed the rest of the world. The bullet must be bitten, and this handing out money willy-nilly needs to stop. Our politicians need to be told once and for all that our tax dollars is not there's to spend foolishly. We need more common sense and logic from our politicians, not constant emotionalism. Enough already.

Once again you seem to fail to understand that refugees was an election issue, and so government does indeed have a right and a mandate for what they said they would do during their campaign.

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Once again you seem to fail to understand that refugees was an election issue, and so government does indeed have a right and a mandate for what they said they would do during their campaign.

Once again you seem to fail and you need to understand that it was not we the people who were out there demanding that refugees by brought into Canada by the thousands. It was special interest groups, churches and immigration groups, and the media party(CTV/CBC/Global)who pushed for this. A small minority pushed for this, a tiny minority who, as with everything else that goes on in Canada always get to rule the roost, and it is the majority who get to pay for it. I have no problem with refugees coming to Canada, but it is the numbers that keep coming in that I have a problem with.

We never have enough money for our own people who could use extra help from the government who always tell us that there is no more money in the till. But when it comes to refugees, money magically appears, and there is millions for them. There is definite something wrong with this picture.

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Once again you seem to fail and you need to understand that it was not we the people who were out there demanding that refugees by brought into Canada by the thousands. It was special interest groups, churches and immigration groups, and the media party(CTV/CBC/Global)who pushed for this. A small minority pushed for this, a tiny minority who, as with everything else that goes on in Canada always get to rule the roost, and it is the majority who get to pay for it. I have no problem with refugees coming to Canada, but it is the numbers that keep coming in that I have a problem with.

We never have enough money for our own people who could use extra help from the government who always tell us that there is no more money in the till. But when it comes to refugees, money magically appears, and there is millions for them. There is definite something wrong with this picture.

If you check the average of the polls, you'll find that the refugee plan is supported by roughly half or slightly higher of the population. I doubt TV stations make them do that. BTW, the opposition comes mostly from people who identify as conservative. Q'ellle surprise!

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Once again you seem to fail to understand that refugees was an election issue, and so government does indeed have a right and a mandate for what they said they would do during their campaign.

I seem to recall that polls, after the initial shock, said that most Canadians agreed with the Harper government approach. If the refugee thing had any impact on the election it was in reinforcing to some people how kind and soft-hearted Trudeau was as opposed to that nasty, mean old Mister Harper.

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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I seem to recall that polls, after the initial shock, said that most Canadians agreed with the Harper government approach. If the refugee thing had any impact on the election it was in reinforcing to some people how kind and soft-hearted Trudeau was as opposed to that nasty, mean old Mister Harper.

That could be due to the fact that Harper made claims about his own soft heartedness, but never really followed up. Kind of how he did with vets, infrastructure spending etc., etc. Not so much mean, just dishonest.

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If you check the average of the polls, you'll find that the refugee plan is supported by roughly half or slightly higher of the population. I doubt TV stations make them do that. BTW, the opposition comes mostly from people who identify as conservative. Q'ellle surprise!

The difference between the Conservative minded and the Liberal minded person is that Conservatives will deal with reality and try and instill some common sense and logic into their programs and agendas where the Liberals seem to survive only on emotion. They always say they care but I know Liberals who give me the impression that they only think about themselves. I never hear them discuss anything but what is good for them. Just my observation.

Indeed, as a Conservative, I like to deal in reality,common sense and logic. Bringing in 25,000, maybe 50,000 thousand new refugees within the next year is not fiscally or socially responsible. It is crazy. We cannot afford it. We the people are thousands of dollars in debt trying to get by in life, and I don't believe that they want to see us giving money away to strangers when that money could stay in their wallets for their use only in their trying to pay the bills.

It all depends on how a question is posed. The media is good at that. They know how to ask questions that will work in their favor. If the media asks the people: do you think that Canada should be helping the poor refugees of the world? To want to appear human the person being asked the question will most likely say yes. And that is what the media will constantly try to do. Get their emotional side going. Are you going to say on TV or radio that you don't give a dam about refugees? But if the media also threw in there that by helping out all those refugees it is going to cost you hundreds of millions of your tax dollars every year, I think their answer might not be what the media would want to hear. Polls are questionable.

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The difference between the Conservative minded and the Liberal minded person is that Conservatives will deal with reality and try and instill some common sense and logic into their programs and agendas where the Liberals seem to survive only on emotion. They always say they care but I know Liberals who give me the impression that they only think about themselves. I never hear them discuss anything but what is good for them. Just my observation.

Indeed, as a Conservative, I like to deal in reality,common sense and logic. Bringing in 25,000, maybe 50,000 thousand new refugees within the next year is not fiscally or socially responsible. It is crazy. We cannot afford it. We the people are thousands of dollars in debt trying to get by in life, and I don't believe that they want to see us giving money away to strangers when that money could stay in their wallets for their use only in their trying to pay the bills.

It all depends on how a question is posed. The media is good at that. They know how to ask questions that will work in their favor. If the media asks the people: do you think that Canada should be helping the poor refugees of the world? To want to appear human the person being asked the question will most likely say yes. And that is what the media will constantly try to do. Get their emotional side going. Are you going to say on TV or radio that you don't give a dam about refugees? But if the media also threw in there that by helping out all those refugees it is going to cost you hundreds of millions of your tax dollars every year, I think their answer might not be what the media would want to hear. Polls are questionable.

People being polled aren't speaking on the radio. They are speaking privately and anonymously. You can sweat over whatever media you think is controlling what we think, however I have a lot more faith in Canadians to speak their mind no matter what their favourite channel has to say.

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I don't have a problem with people helping people but do it with their own money, not mine. The government has no right or mandate to go throwing the taxpayer's hard-earned tax dollars to total strangers without the taxpayer's consent. The taxpayer's have no obligation to help strangers thousands of miles away. That is the dream of others who do not respect the taxpayer's tax dollars, and who feel that my money is also their money to blow. Again, the government should be asking we the people first, not some individuals or groups who want to spend other people's money as if it were their own. There are many Canadians struggling to feed and house and clothe their families, and should not be forced to feed the rest of the world. The bullet must be bitten, and this handing out money willy-nilly needs to stop. Our politicians need to be told once and for all that our tax dollars is not there's to spend foolishly. We need more common sense and logic from our politicians, not constant emotionalism. Enough already.

Yes they do have the right. They put forward a platform which included foreign aid and 25000 Syrian refugees and the nation (Canadian voters) elected them with a majority so that they carry out their platform and promises. This is how democracy works and we are blessed to be living in a democracy rather than a dictatorship where ONE idiot likely a criminal bastard decides for the whole nation how their country should be run.

The tax money is not only your money but it is our money and the majority of us voted and mandated this government to give billions to foreign aid as you claim by electing them to represent us, govern our country and spend OUR money the way they said they would prior to election.

I am sure there are a few ultra right political parties in Canada who may wish to carry out your agenda. Close our borders and stop all foreign aid, no more refugees and no more non-white immigrants but they did not form a government they didn't even get enough vote to get one MP elected to parliament. Why because thank God Canadians who are selfish and uncaring about world suffering are very few and again thank God for Thee.

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What are you talking about? I have seen many times TV media reporters asking people on the streets questions on certain issues.

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Are you saying Canada is a democracy? I dare to differ. Watch The Rebel and find out that in many cases they have shown that Canada does not always practise democracy. Many people have been fined, jailed or banned from speaking publicly by our freedom of speech loving politicians for daring to express their opinions and points of view. Sorry to have to tell you this but I do live in Canada, not on Mars, and I do watch what goes on here in Canada against people who wish to openly express themselves freely.

I don't believe that the refugee issue was what Canadians were concerned about. Maybe with a few but not that many. I never heard anyone I come into contact with every day bring up or show concern about refugees. That again was the media doing all that crying about refugees. Otherwise the majority I am pretty sure could have cared less about the plight of refugees around the world. The election was more about trying to get rid of Harper, with the refugees thrown in there for good measurement.

Like heck. Like I said before, if the government wants to send money to foreign countries than they should do it with money being donated by private individuals or groups. I don't want any of my tax dollars going to aid another country that in most cases the people have never heard of Canada.

As you said it is our money and the majority of you voted for it. Gee, I don't remember me being asked to vote for that? Matter of fact I don't even recall or hearing where foreign-aid was even an issue? No my friend, it was only a few of you who want people like me to believe that nonsense. And if the Liberals did make it a part of their platform, than why not tell we the people as to how much all of this foreign-aid and refugee aid is going to cost all Canadians? As far as I am concerned I am being robbed every day by politicians who only want to appear politically correct to get elected, and will blow billions of tax dollars on their pet programs and agendas that in many cases does nothing good for Canada or Canadians. They just steal from them.

I wish that we did really have a few so-called ultra right political parties in Canada. The Conservative party was never an ultra right party. They were in the middle, and would flow with the political breeze whichever way it would blow. They were just as much politically correct as the Liberal party is.

Canada needs an overhaul from all the left wing liberal programs and agendas that have just about left Canada and Canadians trying to get by broke, and who are constantly being forced to pay more new taxes just about every other day just so the politicians can get their greedy hands on our money to be able to blow. I have yet to see a politician really give a dam about we the people. It's mostly all about what is good for the party. Politicians are only good for one thing? Make the taxpayer fork out more dollars and create more laws to keep the people suppressed and from fighting back. Pathetic.

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The fact that you are speaking out against the government or their actions and you are free and not in jail under torture is a proof that Canada is a democracy. In non-democratic places the secret police or intelligence agents or agency traced the writer's IP or email in many cases even when they use vsp and raid their homes, arrest them, take them to jail, beat the crap out of them and forced them to confess that they work for some communist party or CIA or that they are paid traitors. We read about the victims all the time. Another sign of democracy is that we can change our government by our votes as this happened just a few months ago. Unlike dictatorships that one criminal idiot has the power for life and whoever oppose him will end up in jail or shot or raped.

The liberals did have a platform that included Syrian refugees and the foreign aid has always been on their platform even though they may not have explicitly expressed it because it was so obvious they are not going to suddenly stop what a right wing previous government even was doing.

They are ultra right parties in Canada who like yourself oppose all these. I don't wish to name them because I am oppose to them and don't wish to give them publicity. They never get that many votes because a big majority are like me don't like them. Even the National front in Britain in spite of racial tensions there don't get that much vote Even in France and Germany where racial tension is real high these parties don't get enough votes even to form the opposition. because people know what would happen if they are elected. Memories of Nazi Germany are still fresh in minds or written in histories as atrocities they commuted and human miseries they caused and most Canadians and even Europeans don't want a repeat. NEVER AGAIN..

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The fact that you are speaking out against the government or their actions and you are free and not in jail under torture is a proof that Canada is a democracy. In non-democratic places the secret police or intelligence agents or agency traced the writer's IP or email in many cases even when they use vsp and raid their homes, arrest them, take them to jail, beat the crap out of them and forced them to confess that they work for some communist party or CIA or that they are paid traitors. We read about the victims all the time. Another sign of democracy is that we can change our government by our votes as this happened just a few months ago. Unlike dictatorships that one criminal idiot has the power for life and whoever oppose him will end up in jail or shot or raped.

The liberals did have a platform that included Syrian refugees and the foreign aid has always been on their platform even though they may not have explicitly expressed it because it was so obvious they are not going to suddenly stop what a right wing previous government even was doing.

They are ultra right parties in Canada who like yourself oppose all these. I don't wish to name them because I am oppose to them and don't wish to give them publicity. They never get that many votes because a big majority are like me don't like them. Even the National front in Britain in spite of racial tensions there don't get that much vote Even in France and Germany where racial tension is real high these parties don't get enough votes even to form the opposition. because people know what would happen if they are elected. Memories of Nazi Germany are still fresh in minds or written in histories as atrocities they commuted and human miseries they caused and most Canadians and even Europeans don't want a repeat. NEVER AGAIN..

Well, we can certainly thank the Conservative Party and Harper for getting rid of that draconian communist Sec.13 of the Human Rights Commission Hate law which kept people from expressing their right to express an opinion. This law was given to Canadians as a gift against freedom of speech by the liberal party that you so love and keep telling me that they believe in freedom of speech and democracy. The liberals have taken more rights and freedoms away from we the people than the Conservatives ever did. And yes, I can speak against the government and it's actions but for how long? How long will it be before the liberals bring back another version of Sec. 13 Hate law?

Who gave us the gun laws that we have today which allows Police to enter a person's home without a warrant and take that persons gun away from them. The Liberals. The police cannot go into a pedophiles home and seize their computer without a warrant but they can go into a farmers home and take his rifle. I do not and never will trust the Liberals with my freedom. They have proven to me several times that they are not freedom lovers. They will do anything they can and create new laws if need be to shut up anyone whom they disagree with. We are living in some of those communist countries you mentioned above but it just has not gotten to the extreme that they have done in those dictatorships.

I would like you to tell me the names of some of those ultra right parties so I can view them for myself, plus others here who may wish to do also, so we can make up our own minds as to what they are all about and whether they can be considered to be ultra right or not. Go ahead, please make my day. Or if you do not wish too, than how do I know that they are out there at all? Or are you just saying that?

I believe that the reason why these so-called national parties get bad reviews is because of the corporate controlled globalist media who can and do make or break a party or group if they so wish, and the majority of the people will listen and believe many of the media lies. The majority of people never really do any investigation of their own to find out if the media is telling the truth or not.

Many so-called right wing groups are well meaning but all the media has to do is label them as Nazi or racists and it's almost certain they are finished. Again people will believe the media labeling and stay away from them. After all, nobody wants to look or appear to be deemed a racist or Nazi. The media knows how to manipulate peoples minds very easy. It really does work too.

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I guess there's always been different varieties of kool aid out there - regular, high-test and overproof but I'd say the leaded stuff definitely needs to go the way of the dodo.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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Well, we can certainly thank the Conservative Party and Harper for getting rid of that draconian communist Sec.13 of the Human Rights Commission Hate law which kept people from expressing their right to express an opinion.

Hey if you like that, go take a read of C 51. Luckily the Liberals have fixing that fairly high on their agenda.

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It would be difficult to have a politician with the same impact of Trump because hatespeech is illegal. I think Canadians are far more sensitive to his types of open remarks too. Canadians tend to be far more reserved and tactful in their racist and sexist remarks. Part of the problem is that sexism is basically illegal in Canada under human rights codes, same to for race. Those protections don't exist the same way in the US. They are far more racist in general.

When you say, a politician just like Trump, you should be more specific as Trump is pretty multifaceted.

Not too long ago, O'leary was getting notice in the media as a "Trump like" made in Canada media star, in terms of the Conservative leadership race.

None the less, Trump is Trump, because Trump is Trump. He is a name, a recognized face in Mass Media, and he has been part of pop culture for decades now.

The closest thing to Donald Trump Canadians have is probably Jim Carrey.

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A Canadian version of Trump would be like

You know, I am going to build a pipeline, and the Americans are going to pay for it.

You know, I am also going to build another pipeline, and everyone but Alberta will pay for that one and it will go everywhere but Alberta.

The Americans will vote for me though, they will love me, it will be fantastic.

So will everyone else, they are really loving it.

You know, we should also cap immigration so that people in Quebec can't get into Canada. You know they have terrorists there, born in that nation and they are coming over here to Canada, to the Capital and killing people. You know it just makes sense to shut the floodgates. We will have to make a really big stop, with a big stop we can stop a large number of terrorists from getting into Canada and commiting acts, it will be huge. Its going to be awsome.

Lets make Canada the Great white north again.

etc.. etc...

For Jim you know he might be more of a crisis management PM to come in later on, you know we have seen him deal with fires, and take on a variety of roles that government often done when it has to answer questions and keep public confidence Jim Carey can make people smile, and has taken on political type characters in films such as Dumb and Dumber. He is probably been living parliament for years now. If anyone is going to affend Canadians while making them laugh it is Jim Carey. He is Canadian.

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.... If anyone is going to affend Canadians while making them laugh it is Jim Carey. He is Canadian.

Maybe, but Jim Carrey became a U.S. citizen in 2004.

Trump would never become a Canadian citizen.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Maybe, but Jim Carrey became a U.S. citizen in 2004.

Question: Why did Jim become a U.S. citizen?

Answer: Jim has a dual citizenship. Here is what he said in a statement when he became a U.S. citizen:

This country has helped define me and make my dreams come true. I have no intention of giving up my Canadian heritage, and all those who loved and supported me. My upbringing in Canada made me the person I am. I will always be proud to be a Canadian.

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Maybe, but Jim Carrey became a U.S. citizen in 2004.

Trump would never become a Canadian citizen.

Mr Carrey is and always has been a Canadian citizen, period. He has never held any other citizenship and as such, has never voted in a foreign election.

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If there is one thing we can say about Trump is that he is not politically correct and has said so. Being politically incorrect myself, I am in agreement with him on just about every thing he says. He is a breath of political fresh air. Now, if only we had a Donald Trump politician here in Canada. Our present day Canadian politicians are so politically correct it is sickening. None would ever dare talk about immigration like Trump has. Trump wants to put a stop to all the illegal immigration going on at the Mexican/American border and rightly so. I wonder as to how many terrorists have crossed that wide open border in the last several years?

Trump holds nothing back and the people like him for that. He is popular as hell with the people, and the mainstream media hate it. Trump is not their political choice for President. And no matter how hard the media tries to destroy him and try to nail him on anything he says they get burnt. The establishment hate him, and want him gone, and I am surprised that there has not been an attempt on his life yet. I can only hope that he makes it to the Presidency.

Personally, I have a problem not only with our present day immigration policy but also with political correctness and the fact that we cannot have an honest discussion on multiculturalism or immigration. Foreign-aid is another pet peeve of mine. Billions given away for decades and I have not seen where this has benefited Canada or Canadians at all. I doubt that we will ever see a politician appear on the scene who will take on these important issues, and they are important issues. I guess that if a politician did give is opinion on some of those issues mentioned above his career could go down the tubes. There is no room for politically incorrect opinions in the Canada of today. Pierre Trudeau saw to that.

The media will dictate the game we must play and we must all just listen and believe what they tell us and obey. If you don't we will fix you up in a hurry. Just my opinion, of course. Works for me.

Donald Trump just keeps on kicking butt. He is on his way to being the nominee for Republican Party, and for the right to fight for the job to become President. It's looking fantastic for him, but not so fantastic for the establishment party. They are trying to find whatever they can on Trump but nobody appears to be listening. Even the Democrats for Sanders are starting to show that they have had enough of the establishment party also.

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