Argus Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yeah...President Obama is really a bad father figure too. Who do you think black youths admire the most, Obama or Snoop Dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Who do you think black youths admire the most, Obama or Snoop Dog? This is the guy they (along with other youths and other people of all ages) should admire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson Edited February 19, 2016 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 In my last few years in education, when I dealt with young blacks who were ambivalent about the future and looking for direction I would often give them a present of one of my favorite autobiographies: My American Journey - by Colin Powell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) In my last few years in education, when I dealt with young blacks who were ambivalent about the future and looking for direction I would often give them a present of one of my favorite autobiographies: In my years of education two generations earlier, white liberal teachers would give young blacks books like these: The Autobiography of Malcolm X - Malcolm X with Alex Haley Invisible Man - Ralph Ellison Soul On Ice - Eldridge Cleaver Edited February 19, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 In my years of education two generations earlier, white liberal teachers would give young blacks books like these: And did they read them? From what I understand education is not given much respect among young blacks, particularly those in urban environments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 IMO The death of the black family has a lot to do with it. I think we have seen where blacks can do whatever they want, if they want. Completely irrelevant to the point Chris Rock is making. He was discussing that there was historical abuser and a historical abused side and therefore is no improvement between the 'races' - it's just the abuser side stopping its abuse (or at least lessening it). Your 'point' brings nothing to this discussion other than perhaps attempt to justify and/or excuse the abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Simple, because his mother was a US born citizen.......no different than John McCain being born in Panama or George Romney being born in Mexico.so you don't have to be born in the US as long as one parent is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 See Wiki article...this applies to white folks too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Nevermind, I will just look it up myself since you're not the least bit helpful. Being a "citizen" of the US from what I've heard is not enough. You have to be born there. A wiki article on acquiring citizenship doesn't answer my question. But then, when do you ever answer anything directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Nevermind, I will just look it up myself since you're not the least bit helpful. Being a "citizen" of the US from what I've heard is not enough. You have to be born there. A wiki article on acquiring citizenship doesn't answer my question. But then, when do you ever answer anything directly. Sorry, way off topic and could have looked it up anyway. Gotta make it racial ! Edited February 19, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 so you don't have to be born in the US as long as one parent is? Yes, as long as said parent is a US citizen.........which is why the birther conspiracy launched (by Trump?) against President Obama was nonsense.....even if he was born in Kenya, his mother was still a US citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Completely irrelevant to the point Chris Rock is making. He was discussing that there was historical abuser and a historical abused side and therefore is no improvement between the 'races' - it's just the abuser side stopping its abuse (or at least lessening it). My question, and could apply to countless other examples, at what point is the "abuser side" no longer responsible for past actions? Sins of the Father and all that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 My question, and could apply to countless other examples, at what point is the "abuser side" no longer responsible for past actions? Sins of the Father and all that.... That's a whole other debate, which has very little relevance to my post or the OP. I don't really want to venture into a thread drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 You have to be born there.You have to be a 'natural born citizen' which could be interpreted to mean 'born in the usa' but it has been interpreted in practice to mean 'american citizen at birth'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 That's a whole other debate, which has very little relevance to my post or the OP. I don't really want to venture into a thread drift. How is that thread drift? Isn't that the crux of Rock's point of white and black peoples "progression" within the United States? To rephrase, how long can the "abused side" use the "excuse" of abuses that transpired generations before they were born? In 2116, should white people feel guilty for slavery in the 1800s or the inequalities that led to the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? My point, at what time can "white people" no longer feel guilty and "black people" no longer use past abuses as an excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I disagree about the Crux of Rock's statement. What he is saying is that the use of 'improvement of race relations' is hogwash because it was never a two-way conflict. It was one side abusing the other side. Whether or not today's whites should feel guilty about slavery is a different topic of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I disagree about the Crux of Rock's statement. What he is saying is that the use of 'improvement of race relations' is hogwash because it was never a two-way conflict. It was one side abusing the other side. Blacks don't abuse whites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Blacks don't abuse whites? In the historical context of the OP, a resounding heck no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I think what Rock is saying is that white people are making an effort, but black people simply won't let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) No, he's saying 'improvement of race relations' is a euphemism for 'white people stopped enslaving black people'. Edited February 20, 2016 by BC_chick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 No, he's saying 'improvement of race relations' is a euphemism for 'white people stopped enslaving black people'. I think what he's saying is that white people have evolved since the times of slavery, but blacks are fundamentally the same as when they were brought over here. Kind of unfair if you asked me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) I think what he's saying is that white people have evolved since the times of slavery, but blacks are fundamentally the same as when they were brought over hereHe is also implying that blacks were modern civilized people when they were forced into slavery and they did not need to evolve. Edited February 20, 2016 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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