Smoke Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Like I said, he's a talentless goof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Talentless is completely incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Misogyny isn't something unique to Kanye's lyrics. I don't know first hand, as I neither "hip" nor "hop"... but isn't misogyny pretty endemic to the whole genre? -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Misogyny isn't something unique to Kanye's lyrics. I guess I must be listening to the wrong music, then. I don't know first hand, as I neither "hip" nor "hop"... but isn't misogyny pretty endemic to the whole genre? Hardly seems like the strongest defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I don't know first hand, as I neither "hip" nor "hop"... but isn't misogyny pretty endemic to the whole genre? -k Yes, as with most pop artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 As a middle aged white male I don't really understand what any of you are talking about. The sexist pig in me wants to support Kanye while the racist in me says "you go girl" to Swift. As I said: middle. aged. white. male. But in other news #freekesha (whatever that means...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 As a middle aged white male I don't really understand what any of you are talking about. The sexist pig in me wants to support Kanye while the racist in me says "you go girl" to Swift. As I said: middle. aged. white. male. That's a key point... these pop star feuds are interesting to a certain audience, and that audience is Not Me. I doubt any on this forum are actually part of that audience. The people who care about this sort of thing are the same people who buy those magazines you see in grocery check-out lines. Which celebrity is dating which other celebrity. Who's breaking up with who. All of those crappy stupid gossip magazines, or their online equivalent click-bait websites. I'm sure this sort of stuff exists to fill some kind of human need, but I can't figure out what it is. Maybe our culture has created this pantheon of celebrities for the same reason that ancient peoples created pantheons of mythological figures. The ancient Norse had Thor and Loki and all their friends... we have Taylor and Kanye and the Kardashians? But in other news #freekesha (whatever that means...). The ongoing Kesha case is a completely different kettle of fish. Kesha Sebert (formerly known simply as "Ke$ha") was a budding pop-star at one point... she provided backing vocals for other singers, she wrote songs for a number of other popular artists, and her first record was a huge success. (don't ask me to comment on whether she's actually any good at any of this, I haven't heard any of it.) But she hasn't worked in 2 years due to a dispute with her producer "Dr Luke" who is apparently a big deal in the music industry. (I have never heard of him either.) She claims that he has abused her physically and emotionally, and that he used GHB on her and raped her. He claims that she made everything up in order to get free of her contract. Due to her contract with Dr Luke she can't record or write songs for anybody except him, so she has basically been unemployed for the past 2 years. She is in court trying to have her contract with Dr Luke annulled. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) The court decided that they couldn't let her out of the contract because it would undermine contract law. She is being forced to make 6 more albums for Sony to honour the contract. If you believe Kesha, she's essentially being forced to make money for her rapist and the courts are forcing her to because she signed a contract and he invested millions. Edited February 21, 2016 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm sure this sort of stuff exists to fill some kind of human need, but I can't figure out what it is. Maybe our culture has created this pantheon of celebrities for the same reason that ancient peoples created pantheons of mythological figures. The ancient Norse had Thor and Loki and all their friends... we have Taylor and Kanye and the Kardashians? -k I've heard it be attritubuted to the breakdown of our social circles. Before everyone knew everyone in the neighbourhood and everyone heard the gossip about who is cheating or divorcing or fighting and now that our social circles are smaller, we look at the lives of celebrities to get a dose of gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) That's a key point... these pop star feuds are interesting to a certain audience, and that audience is Not Me. I doubt any on this forum are actually part of that audience. The people who care about this sort of thing are the same people who buy those magazines you see in grocery check-out lines. Which celebrity is dating which other celebrity. Who's breaking up with who. All of those crappy stupid gossip magazines, or their online equivalent click-bait websites. I'm sure this sort of stuff exists to fill some kind of human need, but I can't figure out what it is.... That's OK....there is a very large audience for pop stars and pop drama going back generations. Ever heard of Tiger Beat magazine ? How about Bobby Sherman, or Michael Jackson, or maybe David Cassidy (he is old, drunk, and broke now) ? Perhaps this is more of an American thing, Hollywood, star power, etc. The human need is obvious and old as hell....to sell product and make money. I bought a copy of 1989...and I like it. You go Tay ! Edited February 21, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 That's OK....there is a very large audience for pop stars and pop drama going back generations. Ever heard of Tiger Beat magazine ? How about Bobby Sherman, or Michael Jackson, or maybe David Cassidy (he is old, drunk, and broke now) ? Perhaps this is more of an American thing, Hollywood, star power, etc. The human need is obvious and old as hell....to sell product and make money. I bought a copy of 1989...and I like it. You go Tay ! There is a large audience for gossip not only with pop stars. Politics (Pierre and Maggie, Kim etc). Sports (Domi and Belinda - aka blowme). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yes, as with most pop artists. Misogynist lyrics are endemic to most pop artists? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Misogynist lyrics are endemic to most pop artists? Really? It's great to question this. We have many female rap artists who are not mysoginistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Misogynist lyrics are endemic to most pop artists? Really? Yes....John Lennon was one of the most famous ones. Hip-hop and Rap artists just continue the tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yes....John Lennon was one of the most famous ones. Hip-hop and Rap artists just continue the tradition. Can you provide a sample of these misogynist lyrics you speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Can you provide a sample of these misogynist lyrics you speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Can you provide a sample of these misogynist lyrics you speak of? He has probably blocked you which reinforces my stmt of the ridiculousness of blocking members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 He has probably blocked you which reinforces my stmt of the ridiculousness of blocking members. He or she, whatever, blocked me a long time ago. But the posts still show, although I usually just ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 He or she, whatever, blocked me a long time ago. But the posts still show, although I usually just ignore.So your response is relevant to this thread, however posters who have blocked you can continue on their merry way without considering your legitimate concerns and respond to this thread. It sounds extremely unfair and hijacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 So your response is relevant to this thread, however posters who have blocked you can continue on their merry way without considering your legitimate concerns and respond to this thread. It sounds extremely unfair and hijacked. How's that go, "you can run but you cannot hide" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 How's that go, "you can run but you cannot hide" Which leaves much to be desired on responding to these threads. These threads are more based on petty shit then substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Which leaves much to be desired on responding to these threads. These threads are more based on petty shit then substance. I guess we could just all ban anybody and everybody that disagreed with us. Get pretty quiet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 It's great to question this. We have many female rap artists who are not mysoginistic.They're exceptions that prove the rule. There is absolutely no shortage of misogyny in rap, r&b, or pop lyrics. Wasn't there outrage over Robin Thicke just a year or so ago? And that's just one extremely famous example. I bet you could go through the Billboard Top 40 today and find all kinds of misogyny if you were so inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 He has probably blocked you which reinforces my stmt of the ridiculousness of blocking members. C'mon people...John Lennon's misogynist sins are well documented...from his own mouth in several interviews. Don't pretend otherwise, including lyrics like these: Run for Your Life (from Rubber Soul - 1965) Well I'd rather see you dead, little girlThan to be with another man You better keep your head, little girl Or I won't know where I am You better run for your life if you can, little girlHide your head in the sand little girl Catch you with another man That's the end ah little girl Well I know that I'm a wicked guyAnd I was born with a jealous mind And I can't spend my whole life Trying just to make you toe the line Let this be a sermonI mean everything I've said Baby, I'm determined And I'd rather see you dead http://music.cbc.ca/#!/blogs/2013/5/This-man-beats-women-John-Lennon-Chris-Brown-and-ugly-truths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 He has probably blocked you which reinforces my stmt of the ridiculousness of blocking members. He or she, whatever, blocked me a long time ago. But the posts still show, although I usually just ignore. So your response is relevant to this thread, however posters who have blocked you can continue on their merry way without considering your legitimate concerns and respond to this thread. It sounds extremely unfair and hijacked. I'm not really sure I understand the complaint here. Are you angry that BC2004 didn't immediately respond to your question? I doubt that BC2004 has anybody on his block list, btw. One thing I can state is that nobody is required to respond to questions, or even read anybody's messages. People can use their ignore lists as they wish. If you feel somebody has ignored a pertinent question, you could point it out and if they still refuse to reply, you can raise your arms in triumph and move on. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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