Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) At least, that's what happened, according to Peter Kent: Conservative deputy foreign affairs critic Peter Kent said Ban's effusive praise may have been a play for more UN funding for the environment and peacekeeping, as well as for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which helps Palestinians. The Conservatives cut UNRWA funding because they alleged it had ties to Hamas, which Canada lists as a terrorist organization. UNRWA has denied the charges. "It does seem clear he was trolling for new UNRWA funding," Kent said Monday. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservatives-say-ban-ki-moon-flattered-trudeau-to-get-new-un-funding-1.2778735 There's an emerging theme here amongst Conservatives - the young and stupid Trudeau just doesn't know what he's doing. His actual reputation on the world stage seems to be irrelevant. That world leaders and business elites are impressed with Trudeau's style AND substance is, apparently, utterly irrelevant. That Canadians are happy with their new government (happier than they ever were with the last at any time) is also irrelevant. You see, Trudeau is far too caught up in his own celebrity to see what Conservatives see. Apparently, the rest of us are too. Canadian politics is polarized to an extend that it hasn't been in a while. Harper was on the receiving end of it and was seen as the devil by many on the left (mostly wrongly). With Trudeau though, things are at a whole new low. Conservatives are going to show him no respect - will give him no time or opportunity to prove himself (even though he already has to many, moving on more than 5% of his agenda in 100 days). He's too naive to govern. It's going to be a rough term and beyond for Conservatives and their partisan supporters. Edited February 16, 2016 by Smallc Quote
Topaz Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Do we really care what Kent thinks or for that matter the old MPs of Harper's party?? I think not. A bunch of sore losers that only throw out personal attacks and to rebuild the party, all of the former members have to go. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Do we really care what Kent thinks or for that matter the old MPs of Harper's party?? I think not. A bunch of sore losers that only throw out personal attacks and to rebuild the party, all of the former members have to go. The conservative gov't is doing a good job of staying on point and not whining or grandstanding, the leaders of the opposition during Harper's reign were completely unable to say anything positive. Ban Ki Moon doesn't have to say anything to Trudeau to get him to fund Palestinians, he's throwing around money like it's going out of style. Trudeau's selfie will be immortalized on the 33 cent dollar. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Bonam Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Canadian politics is polarized to an extend that it hasn't been in a while. Harper was on the receiving end of it and was seen as the devil by many on the lest (mostly wrongly). With Trudeau though, things are at a whole new low. A new low? I haven't seen it be any worse than the vitriol that was constantly directed at Harper and the Conservatives. Sorry but the current level of polarization and idiocy is the new normal all around. Quote
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 A new low? I haven't seen it be any worse than the vitriol that was constantly directed at Harper and the Conservatives. Sorry but the current level of polarization and idiocy is the new normal all around. I know, and I said as much. What happened to Harper was terrible. i don't though, remember this level of derision when Harper first took office in 2006 (yes, there was the hidden agenda talk, but that's old politics - this is new). Quote
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) . Edited February 16, 2016 by Smallc Quote
Topaz Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 The conservative gov't is doing a good job of staying on point and not whining or grandstanding, the leaders of the opposition during Harper's reign were completely unable to say anything positive. Ban Ki Moon doesn't have to say anything to Trudeau to get him to fund Palestinians, he's throwing around money like it's going out of style. Trudeau's selfie will be immortalized on the 33 cent dollar. I understand what the opposition party is suppose to do but there's no place for personal remarks and if Trudeau does/is a rotted job, them voters will kick him to the curb, just like Harper! One thing for sure the Tory defense critic, family is from the Ukraine and the way he goes on and on its ??? He's too personally and emotionally involve. Quote
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 The conservative gov't You wish. Trudeau's selfie will be immortalized on the 33 cent dollar. What does the level of the dollar have to do with Trudeau? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 The conservative gov't is doing a good job of staying on point and not whining or grandstanding, the leaders of the opposition during Harper's reign were completely unable to say anything positive. Ban Ki Moon doesn't have to say anything to Trudeau to get him to fund Palestinians, he's throwing around money like it's going out of style. Trudeau's selfie will be immortalized on the 33 cent dollar. Apparently you haven't been following Rona Ambrose very closely. She whines incessantly with talking points about F 18's that are so similar to the cookie cutter stuff she was supposed to be getting beyond in the wake of how poorly that approach worked for Harper. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Whatever one thinks of Kent's opinion, it's pretty clear that Trudeau is in tough with the other world and organization leaders. The whole do gooder thing is fine for keeping minions happy, but these people are in a whole other league. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 Whatever one thinks of Kent's opinion, it's pretty clear that Trudeau is in tough with the other world and organization leaders. As evidenced by? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 As evidenced by? Conservative supporters hopes and prayers for Trudeau to fail. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Harper said something to the tune of "you won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it", and by golly at least he was right about that. Now I'm starting to see the Canada I recognize. For instance, we're getting pats on the back from our allies in a conflict zone, and seats both on the UN Security Council and at the WH dinner table. Sunny ways seems to be working not too bad. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Conservative supporters hopes and prayers for Trudeau to fail. Why would I hope for Trudeau to fail? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
poochy Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) At least, that's what happened, according to Peter Kent: Conservative deputy foreign affairs critic Peter Kent said Ban's effusive praise may have been a play for more UN funding for the environment and peacekeeping, as well as for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which helps Palestinians. The Conservatives cut UNRWA funding because they alleged it had ties to Hamas, which Canada lists as a terrorist organization. UNRWA has denied the charges. "It does seem clear he was trolling for new UNRWA funding," Kent said Monday. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservatives-say-ban-ki-moon-flattered-trudeau-to-get-new-un-funding-1.2778735 There's an emerging theme here amongst Conservatives - the young and stupid Trudeau just doesn't know what he's doing. His actual reputation on the world stage seems to be irrelevant. That world leaders and business elites are impressed with Trudeau's style AND substance is, apparently, utterly irrelevant. That Canadians are happy with their new government (happier than they ever were with the last at any time) is also irrelevant. You see, Trudeau is far too caught up in his own celebrity to see what Conservatives see. Apparently, the rest of us are too. Canadian politics is polarized to an extend that it hasn't been in a while. Harper was on the receiving end of it and was seen as the devil by many on the left (mostly wrongly). With Trudeau though, things are at a whole new low. Conservatives are going to show him no respect - will give him no time or opportunity to prove himself (even though he already has to many, moving on more than 5% of his agenda in 100 days). He's too naive to govern. It's going to be a rough term and beyond for Conservatives and their partisan supporters. Sure, keep flailing around, whatever you need to do to convince yourself, but if you can't hear and see how dull Trudeau is, you are either at best his equal, or blinded by your partisanship. There has not been another PM in my lifetime that appears so inadequate for the task and so beneath the office, perhaps the number of people of his type has increased to the point that fewer seem to notice how short he falls. Honestly compare him to his peers, if you can, but perhaps that is the problem, as your post is about as empty as his head, whatever Peter Kent had to say was just an excuse for you to deflect away from his failings by attacking those who notice them, a sad, small effort. Maybe Mr Butts is the real brains behind the curtain, he's just smart enough to be dangerous. Mulcair was leading the wrong party. Edited February 16, 2016 by poochy Quote
Smoke Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 I understand what the opposition party is suppose to do but there's no place for personal remarks and if Trudeau does/is a rotted job, them voters will kick him to the curb, just like Harper! One thing for sure the Tory defense critic, family is from the Ukraine and the way he goes on and on its ??? He's too personally and emotionally involve. Racist xenophobe!!! Quote
Smoke Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Trudeau can't even formulate one sentence without his breathlessness and about a hundred "ums" in between the Liberal talking points. Edited February 16, 2016 by Charles Anthony spelling "Liberal" Quote
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 Sure, keep flailing around, whatever you need to do to convince yourself, but if you can't hear and see how dull Trudeau is, I used to agree with you. Then I put my partisanship aside (and he did look like an idiot in the first election debate, to be fair). Trudeau isn't an idiot. Quote
scribblet Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Harper said something to the tune of "you won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it", and by golly at least he was right about that. Now I'm starting to see the Canada I recognize. For instance, we're getting pats on the back from our allies in a conflict zone, and seats both on the UN Security Council and at the WH dinner table. Sunny ways seems to be working not too bad. He didn't actually say that. That was a misquoted Liberal attack ad which is lapped up and repeated as gospel by the left for their own propaganda purposes he said this at the Conservative conference in 2004: "We can create a country built on solid Conservative values, not on expensive Liberal promises, a country the Liberals wouldn't even recognize, the kind of country I want to lead." Quite different in context. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
msj Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 At least, that's what happened, according to Peter Kent:Conservative deputy foreign affairs critic Peter Kent said Ban's effusive praise may have been a play for more UN funding for the environment and peacekeeping, as well as for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which helps Palestinians. Wait, you mean to tell me that people praise each other from time to time in order to get favour? Wow, didn't know that.... Surely not in politics! Here's an idea for the CPC: maybe Trudeau sides with the "Canada as peacekeeper" mantra and believes in the UN's mission wrt the environment in the first place. Any praise is simply a response to Canada electing someone who holds these ideals dear. Yes, disagree with him on that by using substantive arguments. This ad hominem nonsense did not work during the election and it is not going to work now. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Argus Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 There's an emerging theme here amongst Conservatives - the young and stupid Trudeau just doesn't know what he's doing. Emerging? That's been the theme since he was first made leader of the Liberal party on the basis of his name and pretty features. But take heart, he can prove us wrong by simply governing competently. I don't expect that to happen, but hey, it's possible. There was nothing Harper could have done, however, to reduce the vitriol and hatred directed at him by bitter lefties who loathed him. That you say he's managed to move on some of his agenda is hardly comforting given how dumb much of his agenda is. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 Harper said something to the tune of "you won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it", and by golly at least he was right about that. Now I'm starting to see the Canada I recognize. For instance, we're getting pats on the back from our allies in a conflict zone, and seats both on the UN Security Council and at the WH dinner table. Sunny ways seems to be working not too bad. LOL. We're getting seats at the WH dinner table from an incompetent lame-duck president who still won't approve anything Canada wants, not even paying for their own damned border inspection station on their side of the new bridge we're building. We don't have a seat on the security council nor is one up for voting. Pats on the back for leaving? Riiiiight. I think it's more telling we weren't even invited to the conference of the major participants last month. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Posted February 16, 2016 That you say he's managed to move on some of his agenda is hardly comforting given how dumb much of his agenda is. The agenda was what won him the election far more than the name. It's certainly why I voted Liberal. Quote
Accountability Now Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 and seats both on the UN Security Council I guess you didn't fact check this one. Regaining a seat on the Security Council will be an important step, though the opportunity won’t come around until about 2020, given how the UN rotates the openings. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2016/02/15/canada-should-play-a-stronger-role-at-un-editorial.html Quote
Accountability Now Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 The agenda was what won him the election far more than the name. It's certainly why I voted Liberal. He won the election based on not being Stephen Harper. Its how most elections are won after someone has been in power that long. It would be interesting to see which point or points people voted on because even though someone gets a majority, it doesn't mean that the majority of the country agrees with every point in your agenda. Quote
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