Argus Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Yes, fear. People who want to wear guns in public are afraid. There is no other explanation. My own personal belief is if you did a mass physicals and a statistical check you'd find most of them have very small penises. Edited January 10, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 That's why I asked you to explain it.......a firearm for self defense is viewed as a form of insurance for many gun owners in the United States. This is just one of many regional gun-control battles that have unfolded across the United States in recent years. But Texas’ campus-carry law offers a perfect microcosm of how the debate plays out nationally. At the forefront are grandstanding politicians, who pander shamelessly to gun-loving voters. Meanwhile, at the grass roots level, Second Amendment fundamentalists conjure action-movie scenarios to discredit even the mildest forms of gun control. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/jonathan-kay-more-guns-arent-the-answer-americans-are-likelier-to-wet-their-pants-facing-a-mass-shooter Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 They could, but again (in my opinion) based on the actual crime numbers, reducing poverty and violence associated with the drug trade would be far more effective in drastically reducing gun crime. Perhaps if we're looking at the mass shootings, but far more gun crime is committed in inner cities awash in poverty and gang violence.........if a further concentrated effort was made to address said troubled areas, the American (gun) homicide and violent crime rates would plummet. The only way to address that is to address economic injustice. That's why guns are the alternative. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 The only way to address that is to address economic injustice. That's why guns are the alternative. I do think poverty directly equates to (gun) crime............as to an armed economic redress, its been done in other countries. Quote
eyeball Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 I do think poverty directly equates to (gun) crime............as to an armed economic redress, its been done in other countries. Careful what you wish for. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Careful what you wish for. I'm not wishing (or supportive) of such a movement, and frankly, I don't think enough of this generation has the stones to do it. Quote
eyeball Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 I think it will be result not a movement. Simple brutal water-hole politics and economics will bring the stones out no matter who they're swinging from. Justice and injustice won't have much to do with anything. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ReeferMadness Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 I do think poverty directly equates to (gun) crime............as to an armed economic redress, its been done in other countries. Armed economic redress.... Care to proffer an example from the last century where that has turned out well? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Armed economic redress.... Care to proffer an example from the last century where that has turned out well? Turned out well? That's subjective, but I'd cite any People's Revolution over the last 100 years. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 So, what? The Russian Revolution? The Chinese Communist takeover? Castro in Cuba? You seem to be a big proponent in "fixing" things with guns. I'm just curious as to where you think this has been working. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 So, what? The Russian Revolution? The Chinese Communist takeover? Castro in Cuba? I didn't suggest such revolutions were "successful" in solving equality. You seem to be a big proponent in "fixing" things with guns. I'm just curious as to where you think this has been working. Any "civilized" (or not so civilized) society is maintained by the use of or threat of force...... with guns. As Mao's communist party said, political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Quote
Wilber Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Any "civilized" (or not so civilized) society is maintained by the use of or threat of force...... with guns. As Mao's communist party said, political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.Nonsense. This country's governments have never ruled from the barrel of a gun. They govern with the consent of the electorate according to the Constitution and Charter of Rights as interpreted but the SC. They have been able to do so because the great majority of citizens believe in the rule of law, not the rule of gun. Force is only required to control those who refuse to live by the rule of those laws and would victimize their fellow citizens, not those trying to overthrow the government. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Nonsense. This country's governments have never ruled from the barrel of a gun. Interrupt Parliament or force your way into Trudeau's office.......... Quote
Wilber Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Interrupt Parliament or force your way into Trudeau's office.......... That to you is rule from the barrel of a gun? Seriously? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 That to you is rule from the barrel of a gun? Seriously? No, that is the maintenance of law and order in our society through the use of force if required. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) And yet your Republican party is desperate to avoid background checks, and furious that Obama might put a few minor administrative rule changes in place to require more background checks at places like gun shows. Meanwhile they want more money spent on fighting terrorism, with some of them even talking about putting walls up across the Canadian border at a cost of billions. They want more money for lots of things...and will get it. It's not like in Canada where spending on defense is a retarded exercise in circle jerk contracts. Changes to gun control laws should follow the same legislative process as any other, regardless of political party. And their position on health care can best be described as "If you can't afford it, best to die and decrease the surplus population" Go to Canadian but off topic response. I can get a handgun and MRI faster than most Canadians wait to get just an MRI...way faster. Edited January 11, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 No, that is the maintenance of law and order in our society through the use of force if required. Which is what I'm calling for in Oregon. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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