bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Morality and brains didn't factor into it and that's good? If you say so, it's your country. Morality ? You've got to be kidding. And yes...it is our country...guns now...guns tomorrow...guns forever ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Brains? You gotta be kidding, guns now, guns tomorrow, guns in high schools....forever. Quote
eyeball Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Morality ? You've got to be kidding. And yes...it is our country...guns now...guns tomorrow...guns forever ! So there's really no immorality either then is there? Clever foundation. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 So there's really no immorality either then is there? Clever foundation. Nope....that's somebody else's hangup. Says right here on this piece of parchment that I have constitutional gun rights, affirmed by the highest court in the land. Clever foundation to first be rid of loyalists who worship kings/queens. Better to worship guns. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 So there's really no immorality either then is there? Clever foundation. You're trying to bring morality into this discussion? You're way off topic. Who can fail to see the parallel between the LRA soldier who forces kids into combat because the bible said it was OK, the ISIS soldier who hacks apart an infidel because the Quran says it's OK and someone in this very thread who is saying the constitution and Texas law gives him the right to kill a kid who rings his doorbell? Right and wrong don't factor into extremist views - all that matters is that they can find some magical text that justifies whatever perverted action they want to take or (in the case of the first 2) are coerced into taking. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Wilber Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I never said that I do or that I am.........you asked the benefits of a handgun versus a long gun......I (and bc2004) repeated a common debate among self defense proponents....I fail to see why you are attempting to make this personal with snide remarks. One thing is for certain, an adult that gets so upset, so easily and starts slinging off insults, in a discussion over the internet, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm. I'm not upset, I just don't see the logic in your arguments. In Canada, only 10 % of robberies are residential and only 2% of robberies result in physical injuries. To make drastic changes in our gun laws to accommodate fears related to such minimal risk while accepting the risks involved with those changes makes no sense to me. Getting back to the subject of the OP. Allowing the majority of the population to carry handguns based on nothing but fear is something I want no part of. Edited January 9, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Right and wrong don't factor into extremist views - all that matters is that they can find some magical text that justifies whatever perverted action they want to take or (in the case of the first 2) are coerced into taking. In your later example, focusing on the OP subject of Texan law, there is nothing "magical" about the laws of a Democratic State.....they are quite real. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I'm not upset, I just don't see the logic in your arguments. In Canada, only 10 % of robberies are residential and only 2% of robberies result in physical injuries. To make drastic changes in our gun laws to accommodate fears related to such minimal risk while accepting the risks involved with those changes makes no sense to me. Sure, and in both countries the majority of break-ins occur during the day when thieves think there is nobody present, and when they are confronted with an alarm, yappy dog or a person they bugger off.....the ones that do break into a house at night, when the home owners are likely home, one must call into question their mentality, be it extreme mental illness, influence of hard drugs or the presumption of a score that they feel outweighs a potential conflict (i.e. a grow-op). I assume you lock your doors of your house, likewise have fire/flood insurance......despite the risk of actually being broken into being quite low, likewise having a fire or major flood in your home. Getting back to the subject of the OP. Allowing the majority of the population to carry handguns based on nothing but fear is something I want no part of. I don't know that the majority of any US States have CHL/CCW permits, but it is an option for law abiding citizens that don't wish to partake in gambling with their own protection........you can replace stolen, burnt and water logged property.....its a little harder to resolve being the victim of a violent assault. If someone attacked you or a family member on the street, I would feel safe in assuming that you would attempt to defend yourself or the lives of your family members to the best of your ability...... Edited January 9, 2016 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Wilber Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 If someone attacked you or a family member on the street, I would feel safe in assuming that you would attempt to defend yourself or the lives of your family members to the best of your ability...... I guess that would mean buying the biggest gun you can find and packing it around. Can't be too careful you know. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 ...Getting back to the subject of the OP. Allowing the majority of the population to carry handguns based on nothing but fear is something I want no part of. It is not based on fear...it is based on enumerated rights of citizenship and lawful carry. As for having no part of, have you ceased all travel to the United States ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 I guess that would mean buying the biggest gun you can find and packing it around. Can't be too careful you know. No....big guns are bulky and harder to conceal. Smaller is the current trend. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 I guess that would mean buying the biggest gun you can find and packing it around. Can't be too careful you know. If you felt so inclined, but I would assume, based on sales for the last ~20 years, that most holders down South carry compact versions of larger handguns. Am I correct in assuming, if you were attacked in public or at home, regardless if it were likely to happen or not, you would attempt to defend yourself? Quote
Argus Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Still preferred to the gun grabbers who are frightened of guns all the time. They are frightened...very, very frightened. Now that's insane.... Why is that insane when a hundred thousands Americans are shot every year? And I think they're more frightened of the crazy people with guns than the guns alone. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 No....big guns are bulky and harder to conceal. Smaller is the current trend. Exactly, look no further than a company like Glock, that first responded to the market needs of law enforcement, then built upon its success to meet the needs of the (concealed) personal defense market. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Posted January 9, 2016 Why is that insane when a hundred thousands Americans are shot every year? And I think they're more frightened of the crazy people with guns than the guns alone. Because hundreds of millions are not shot every year. More than 60% of gun deaths are suicides.....not so scary to me. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Because hundreds of millions are not shot every year. More than 60% of gun deaths are suicides.....not so scary to me. If tens of thousands dying from guns every year doesn't scare you why does a couple of dozen dying from terrorism every year terrify the hell out of you? Edited January 10, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Am I correct in assuming, if you were attacked in public or at home, regardless if it were likely to happen or not, you would attempt to defend yourself? Of course I would but that isn't the point. You want to arm most of the population based on nothing but fear. As I said, I don't subscribe to your fear based philosophy and we have a fundamentally different view of the society we want to live in, so there is probably no point in continuing with this. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 You want to arm most of the population based on nothing but fear. Where did I say that? As I said, I don't subscribe to your fear based philosophy and we have a fundamentally different view of the society we want to live in, so there is probably no point in continuing with this. Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have insurance for your home? etc Quote
Wilber Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Where did I say that? Why else would you or anyone else want to carry a hand gun? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have insurance for your home? etc Of course and neither one involves someone getting shot. Edited January 10, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Why else would you want to carry a hand gun? Any law abiding citizen that felt the need. Of course and neither one involves someone getting shot. But both are courses of action you follow based on a fear encompassed within your own psyche......like the majority of people (myself included). Quote
Wilber Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Any law abiding citizen that felt the need. Need as in fear. But both are courses of action you follow based on a fear encompassed within your own psyche......like the majority of people (myself included). We take many courses of action in life that don't involve shooting people. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 If tens of thousands dying from guns every year doesn't scare you why does a couple of dozen dying from terrorism every year terrify the hell out of you? Doesn't scare me at all....I have long maintained a stronger faith in applied physics, probability, and statistics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 We take many courses of action in life that don't involve shooting people. Right....killing and injuring more people each year with motor vehicles. Must be fear, eh ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Need as in fear. Call it what you will. We take many courses of action in life that don't involve shooting people. Sure, like being fearful of theft or our homes burning down.......even though statistically neither feared events will ever impact the vast majority of society. Quote
Argus Posted January 10, 2016 Report Posted January 10, 2016 Doesn't scare me at all....I have long maintained a stronger faith in applied physics, probability, and statistics. But you are in favour of your government spending tens of billions of dollars on internal security to combat terrorism, and wasting God only knows how many man hours of people waiting in endless lines at airports and the like, to combat terrorism, but not one red cent to combat crazy people getting guns. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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