Argus Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I am not a partisan poster but I am an equal rights poster. Argue cannot dismiss me as a leftist. How much would you like to bet on that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Chasing suicide bombers in the night. At least the UK police are starting to get the hang of it... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12077459/Police-firearms-officers-trained-by-SAS-to-shoot-terrorists-in-the-head.html Quote
Argus Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) If he can dismiss me as one, I'm pretty sure he can dismiss you as one. I don't 'dismiss' you as your views are usually well supported and coherently stated. I do describe you as a Liberal, as opposed to a liberal but you have so-described yourself as that. And you seem of late to share what I regard as a 'sunny ways' silliness in your enthusiasm for what I regard to be a fairly brainless government. Nevertheless, you are not nearly as easily outraged as most on the Left, and are capable of intelligent discussion. Edited January 1, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 At least the UK police are starting to get the hang of it... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12077459/Police-firearms-officers-trained-by-SAS-to-shoot-terrorists-in-the-head.html They aren't the only ones. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3375077/posts?page=3 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 The 'political spectrum' meets around the backside where the Stalins and Hitlers inhabit.Where conservatism is blackest. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Where conservatism is blackest. And Liberalism. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BubberMiley Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I think its patently obvious from the various surveys on Muslim world attitudes, and the repeated evidence and documentation of the tens of billions the Saudis have been spending around the world to spread the influence of Wahhabism, as well as the steady rise in "Islamiization' of Muslim countries and the rise of both terrorism and inter-communal violence that world Islam is becoming much more severe, intolerant and extreme.You mean that one questionable survey you cite over and over? Is this "steady rise" documented or is it also based on personal impressions that you have determined to be "obvious"? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Smallc Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I don't 'dismiss' you as your views are usually well supported and coherently stated. I do describe you as a Liberal, as opposed to a liberal but you have so-described yourself as that. And you seem of late to share what I regard as a 'sunny ways' silliness in your enthusiasm for what I regard to be a fairly brainless government. Nevertheless, you are not nearly as easily outraged as most on the Left, and are capable of intelligent discussion. Well that's good to know then. I'm not caught up in anything though - I just think the Liberals had a better plan this time (they didn't for most of the decade before) and I'm willing to give them the time to prove it. I'm sure I won't think that forever. Quote
eyeball Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 And Liberalism.In any case, conservatism does have its place the scheme of things but it reflects a more primitive aspect of our nature that we're hopefully evolving away from. Three steps forward two back usually. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 In any case, conservatism does have its place the scheme of things but it reflects a more primitive aspect of our nature that we're hopefully evolving away from. Three steps forward two back usually. Left and Right in politics comes from the French Revolution's National Assembly. Not Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot. You might recall from your history lessons that the masses were exercising their freedoms rather overtly. Who was the Conservative? Coupez-leur la tête! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 You mean that one questionable survey you cite over and over? Is this "steady rise" documented or is it also based on personal impressions that you have determined to be "obvious"? One questionable survey? I posted a link to a long list of polls and surveys the other day. Maybe you'd like to go through them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 One questionable survey? I posted a link to a long list of polls and surveys the other day. Maybe you'd like to go through them. You mean the link to the site whose sole purpose is to make it seem the enemy is stronger and more successful than it really is? That's either tea party crazies or ISIS itself behind that. Don't you feel a little uncomfortable accepting all that data at face value? You don't think, considering it's called thereligionofopeace.com, that it might have a predetermined agenda and some weighted polling? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
DogOnPorch Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Fallacy: Moving the goal posts. You didn't ask for only polls that you happen to agree with. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BubberMiley Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Fallacy: Moving the goal posts. You didn't ask for only polls that you happen to agree with. I asked for polls with a credible methodology. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) You mean the link to the site whose sole purpose is to make it seem the enemy is stronger and more successful than it really is? That's your definition. But it's also irrelevant. You can hate the site if you want to. The links it has are to surveys and polls conducted by a wide variety of polling and news organizations. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm Edited January 2, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 I asked for polls with a credible methodology. And now you're complaining you don't like the site that contain the links to the sites the polls are listed on! LOL Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 And now you're complaining you don't like the site that contain the links to the sites the polls are listed on! LOLThe site cherry-picks snippets of data and presents only what backs up its agenda and ignores what it doesn't like. For example, it cites Pew Research many times, but what does Pew Research itself conclude from its research of Muslim extremism? Why, this is what it finds:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/05/extremism-in-muslim-nations/ Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) The site cherry-picks snippets of data and presents only what backs up its agenda and ignores what it doesn't like. For example, it cites Pew Research many times, but what does Pew Research itself conclude from its research of Muslim extremism? Why, this is what it finds: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/05/extremism-in-muslim-nations/ Funny how you'll gladly use Pew Research when you think it agrees with you! But the poll was on extremism as seen in the Muslim world, that is, on ISIS and suicide bombings and the like. Evidently Muslims don't consider it extreme to be in support of Sharia or to believe apostates or blasphemers should be executed, much less that women need to cover their hair, if not face. Edited January 2, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Funny how you'll gladly use Pew Research when you think it agrees with you!I didn't question Pew Research. I questioned the credibility of how their data was being used by your tea party/ISIS normalization site. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 I didn't question Pew Research. I questioned the credibility of how their data was being used by your tea party/ISIS normalization site. You can question how it's being 'used' all you want to but the data pretty much speaks for itself. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Left and Right in politics comes from the French Revolution's National Assembly. Not Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot I'm talking about governance not politics. On the the left were people who were fed up with being ruled with an iron fist. On the right were those who prefer the iron fist. It should come as no surprise who the iron fist favors. Ideology has nothing to do with it. Never did. Edited January 2, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BubberMiley Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 You can question how it's being 'used' all you want to but the data pretty much speaks for itself.Yes, it does. And I trust Pew research's evaluation of its data more than I trust thereligionofpeace.com. One of them seems more likely to have an agenda. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Yes, it does. And I trust Pew research's evaluation of its data more than I trust thereligionofpeace.com. One of them seems more likely to have an agenda. You are taking a poll which references terrorism and choosing to apply it to cultural and religious extremism. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 You are taking a poll which references terrorism and choosing to apply it to cultural and religious extremism. You didn't click the link? It says: "At the Pew Research Center, we’ve been asking questions related to extremism on our international surveys for over a decade, and what we’ve generally found among Muslim publics is that support for extremism is low, while concerns about it are high." Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
DogOnPorch Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 I'm talking about governance not politics. On the the left were people who were fed up with being ruled with an iron fist. On the right were those who prefer the iron fist. It should come as no surprise who the iron fist favors. Ideology has nothing to do with it. Never did. Your opinion. As I understand it, Conservatism seeks to reduces the size and influence of government while Socialism wants the opposite. Also, as I mentioned, the political spectrum is a circle with Hitler and Stalin shaking hands on the far side of true liberalism/centrism. But, hey what's in a word when carrying an AK-47? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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