Charges finally laid in the Ontario Gas Plant Scandal

Boges · December 17, 2015

http://www.cp24.com/news/opp-charge-two-former-mcguinty-staffers-in-connection-with-gas-plants-scandal-1.2704173

TORONTO - Ontario Provincial Police have laid criminal charges against two former Dalton McGuinty aides, David Livingston and Laura Miller, in connection with the deletion of documents related to two cancelled gas plants.

Each is charged with breach of trust, mischief in relation to data and misuse of a computer system to commit the offence of mischief.

I'm sure Wynne and McGuinty will claim they knew nothing about this. LOL!

Wilber · December 17, 2015

Miller has been working for the BC Liberals. Now resigned.

Smoke · December 21, 2015

Post created 5 days ago, not one comment from the left.....typical.

ironstone · December 21, 2015

This will likely drag on for years.Wynne was campaign co chair when this happened wasn't she?For her to claim total she knew nothing defies belief.

ironstone · December 21, 2015

A 17$ glass of orange juice got more outrage from the left than this gas plant scandal,how typical.

Bob Macadoo · December 22, 2015

Well to be fair this is only loosely related to Gas Plants. It's about the "middle of the night" hard drive erasures by his Chief of Staff after Wynne got in.

I wonder what the legal nuace is between this and when Harper torches his PMO files before Trudeau got in. Not saying it isn't immoral as they most likely were covering their tracks on something but how is it different if they were staff files only being deleted? Shouldn`t every staff chief be charged after every gov't change? Do the OPP have evidence that it was obstruction? Was there a warrant for the computers before they wiped them?

I guess the other question is if Wynne knew, why was there a need to wipe the drives like they did? Kind of blatant......if she knew it could've been done much more quietly.

ironstone · December 22, 2015

Well to be fair this is only loosely related to Gas Plants. It's about the "middle of the night" hard drive erasures by his Chief of Staff after Wynne got in.

I wonder what the legal nuace is between this and when Harper torches his PMO files before Trudeau got in. Not saying it isn't immoral as they most likely were covering their tracks on something but how is it different if they were staff files only being deleted? Shouldn`t every staff chief be charged after every gov't change? Do the OPP have evidence that it was obstruction? Was there a warrant for the computers before they wiped them?

I guess the other question is if Wynne knew, why was there a need to wipe the drives like they did? Kind of blatant......if she knew it could've been done much more quietly.

Have I missed something?Is there a story circulating that someone was wiping clean the hard drives in the PMO?Or are you making this up?

Bob Macadoo · December 26, 2015

Have I missed something?Is there a story circulating that someone was wiping clean the hard drives in the PMO?Or are you making this up?

Are you really saying I must provide you a cite for when a change in government causes a removal of PMO files? I'm not accusing cover-up just SOP.

Ash74 · December 26, 2015

Well to be fair this is only loosely related to Gas Plants. It's about the "middle of the night" hard drive erasures by his Chief of Staff after Wynne got in.

I wonder what the legal nuace is between this and when Harper torches his PMO files before Trudeau got in. Not saying it isn't immoral as they most likely were covering their tracks on something but how is it different if they were staff files only being deleted? Shouldn`t every staff chief be charged after every gov't change? Do the OPP have evidence that it was obstruction? Was there a warrant for the computers before they wiped them?

I guess the other question is if Wynne knew, why was there a need to wipe the drives like they did? Kind of blatant......if she knew it could've been done much more quietly.

I guess it is all ok after all. Just be honest here. IF this was a conservative government the majority of people on here would be screaming cover up

Only after the cost of erasing the hard drives went public did the fine upstanding people of the Ontario Liberals decide to pay the cost themselves.

ironstone · December 26, 2015

Are you really saying I must provide you a cite for when a change in government causes a removal of PMO files? I'm not accusing cover-up just SOP.

Change of government and change of the leader is not the same thing.Wynne was a new leader ,but leader of the same old,corrupt Liberals.

overthere · December 26, 2015

Is this Wynnes 'Duffy moment'? How much did Trudeau know about this.?

Waldoooooooooo.........

waldo · December 26, 2015

guys, guys... "allegedly"... no rush to judgement here, hey! So... allegedly wiped emails from local puters! Uhhh... perhaps someone should check the central email server(s) - yes? :lol:

Bob Macadoo · December 26, 2015

Change of government and change of the leader is not the same thing.Wynne was a new leader ,but leader of the same old,corrupt Liberals.

Ummmmm that's exactly what it meant. How many ministers changed, how many staff members? The majority of MPPs didn't change; the gov't most certainly did.

ironstone · December 27, 2015

Ummmmm that's exactly what it meant. How many ministers changed, how many staff members? The majority of MPPs didn't change; the gov't most certainly did.

One would hope that important people in government would want to be very meticulous with regards to record keeping as they are often involved in decisions that are extremely important and costly.One might also think that if these same people wanted to wipe out all traces of these records,the reason is that they have something to hide.If everything was done on the up and up,what possible reason could there be to wipe these hard drives?

Ash74 · December 27, 2015

One would hope that important people in government would want to be very meticulous with regards to record keeping as they are often involved in decisions that are extremely important and costly.One might also think that if these same people wanted to wipe out all traces of these records,the reason is that they have something to hide.If everything was done on the up and up,what possible reason could there be to wipe these hard drives?

Because for some it is a much bigger crime for a Conservative to cover up a miss use an expense account and try to pay it back than it is for a Liberal to waste hundreds of millions of dollars and try to erase emails that could expose the fact it was for buying votes.

Bob Macadoo · December 28, 2015

Because for some it is a much bigger crime for a Conservative to cover up a miss use an expense account and try to pay it back than it is for a Liberal to waste hundreds of millions of dollars and try to erase emails that could expose the fact it was for buying votes.

They are both of concern; both valid in determining whether to vote for this party incarnation or not. Is wiping of hard drives after a change in council considered a crime if there might have been items on that drive that could have indicated said waste of millions which did not constitute a crime? I don't know....I'll just add this to the con list for voting in 201?.

Ash74 · December 28, 2015

They are both of concern; both valid in determining whether to vote for this party incarnation or not. Is wiping of hard drives after a change in council considered a crime if there might have been items on that drive that could have indicated said waste of millions which did not constitute a crime? I don't know....I'll just add this to the con list for voting in 201?.

I do not think the canceling of the gas plant was a crime. That was pure pandering for seats. Abuse of power for sure but not a crime.The erasing of files for a change in government is business as usual.

What I would like to know is how often does the government bring in another person to quietly erase all emails and data hard drives even after a standard delete is done to ensure these files can never be reviewed.

Bob Macadoo · December 28, 2015

... how often does the government bring in another person to quietly erase all emails and data hard drives even after a standard delete is done to ensure these files can never be reviewed.

Good question. I don't know. Never or Always are my guesses, would this really increase your contempt for them?

Ash74 · December 28, 2015

Good question. I don't know. Never or Always are my guesses, would this really increase your contempt for them?

No it would not. I have little respect for politicians but I have no respect for those politicians that fall under the Liberal banner. Combined with my complete contempt for the governments that have ran this province under McGuinty and Wynne and the contempt that they have shown to the people of this province you are correct. It does nothing to increase that contempt.

waldo · December 28, 2015

I do not think the canceling of the gas plant was a crime. That was pure pandering for seats. Abuse of power for sure but not a crime.The erasing of files for a change in government is business as usual.

What I would like to know is how often does the government bring in another person to quietly erase all emails and data hard drives even after a standard delete is done to ensure these files can never be reviewed.

is that the gas plant 'cancellation' that the Opposition parties were in favour of? That one?

again, you're in "rush to judgement" mode. I suggest you await the judicial proceedings; apparently, both individuals have claimed they didn't do what you're so rushing to judgement about... and that they intend to challenge the charges in court. As I said earlier, if you know anything about email systems or typical government/corporate level backups, emails are stored at a central server(s) level... and backed up regularly... even off-site in regards to 'disaster recovery' concerns. Your premise is to presume that said emails no longer exist... anywhere. As for your "what you'd like to know", your conspiracy theme is much broader than just a localized computer level.

Ash74 · December 28, 2015

is that the gas plant 'cancellation' that the Opposition parties were in favour of? That one?

again, you're in "rush to judgement" mode. I suggest you await the judicial proceedings; apparently, both individuals have claimed they didn't do what you're so rushing to judgement about... and that they intend to challenge the charges in court. As I said earlier, if you know anything about email systems or typical government/corporate level backups, emails are stored at a central server(s) level... and backed up regularly... even off-site in regards to 'disaster recovery' concerns. Your premise is to presume that said emails no longer exist... anywhere. As for your "what you'd like to know", your conspiracy theme is much broader than just a localized computer level.

Gonna have to call pot/kettle here.

We all saw you jump on the Duffy trial and like a fat kid on a smartie you had long decided Harper was guilty.

Your defense of the gas plant cancellation is very clear even with the present Premier admitting it was pure politics involved. But what does she know.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2013/02/28/wynne_admits_scrapping_gas_plants_was_political_decision.html

waldo · December 28, 2015

Gonna have to call pot/kettle here.

We all saw you jump on the Duffy trial and like a fat kid on a smartie you had long decided Harper was guilty.

the Harper guilt you're speaking to is knowledge and influence of the events. It's a fact Harper (in his role as "constitutional lawyer" :lol: ) made the decision, made the call, on limiting the constitutional parameters applicable in determining Duffy's residency... and it all flows from there.

that an almost 10-year sitting Prime Minister chose to stay on in defeat as an MP and play out the charade we saw during the single week of Parliament in session before the year-end break... that says it all! Harper has a seat in the HOC nearest the back exit door where he can "slide in and out without the inconvenient press asking him questions"; he didn't sit during session/QP but simply showed up to vote. Surely the great economist Harper can't be hurtin' for money... surely he doesn't need his MP pay! Surely there's no shortage of corporate boards saving a seat for the guy... surely, the speaking fees await - surely! Just why would Harper stay on, hey? Well... other than to keep Parliamentary privilege and avoid having to testify as a witness for the Duffy defense! Care to offer a statement on just when Harper will actually quit... cause the Duffy defense rested just days before Christmas. So ya... if you choose to believe Harper knew nothing about the Duffy bribe... about influencing the audit... you just keep on, keeping on!

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Your defense of the gas plant cancellation is very clear even with the present Premier admitting it was pure politics involved. But what does she know.

again, both Opposition parties were also in favour of cancelling the 2 gas plants. The Oakville plant was cancelled a full year prior to the election. So "political" hey! Why... Ontario residents thought it so political, so egregious... they gave the Wynne Liberals a majority government! And now you're left with your "rush to judgement" and conspiracy concerning the alleged wiping of local computer drives.

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Ash74 · December 28, 2015

http://www.trentonian.ca/2013/06/13/dalton-mcguintys-severance-tops-300k

McGuinty than ran to the U.S. to hide.

Pot/Kettle

Boges · December 28, 2015

So ya... if you choose to believe Harper knew nothing about the Duffy bribe... about influencing the audit... you just keep on, keeping on!

Perhaps he did. But you would have to extend the same logic to idea that Dalton McGuinty knew about the e-mail deletion that has resulted in criminal charges. I hope you don't believe he did not.

I guess Harper's biggest fault was that he should have quit when the political pressure became too great like Dalton did.

waldo · December 28, 2015

Perhaps he did. But you would have to extend the same logic to idea that Dalton McGuinty knew about the e-mail deletion that has resulted in criminal charges. I hope you don't believe he did not.

don't you mean the 'alleged' email deletion... on local computers? Are you "rushing to judgement"? As for your, "perhaps Harper did", care to offer your comment on just when Harper will quit (now that the Duffy defense rested)... surely you can't believe Harper will stay on through to the next election - surely!

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