msj Posted December 6, 2015 Report Posted December 6, 2015 We're worrying about Margaret Atwood's opinion why?While you're at it, how about an opinion from Naomi Klein or Harsha Walia? Not worried about it. But it's better to play the substance of the opinion rather than be dismissive about the person making the comment because that would show substance on your part .... Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
hitops Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Agreed. Even though I see how this could be interpreted as "taxpayer funded childcare", I can't really accept that the UCCB is equivalent to the nannies, who are considered as domestic staff for the Prime Minister. I have no problem calling out hypocrisy when I see it, but I just don't see this as hypocrisy. The UCCB is a program for all Canadians, while having staff at the Prime Minister's home is only an exclusive option for the PM. My understanding is that Trudeau disagreed with the wealthy receiving the same tax break as those who have a lower family income. I just don't see the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy is that while all pm's get domestic help and that is understandable, Trudeau is the only PM who specifically addressed his own family as not needing it. And he is the only PM who made a big show of donating his UCCB because he 'didn't need it'. But he needs full time servants for the kids, of course, which cost far more. What was the point of giving back the UCCB if you are accepting the taxpayer-funded nannies which cost more to the taxpayer? According to Justin, his problem was taxpayer help to rich people, not taxpayer help in general. That is why it is hypocrisy. It is not compared to other pm's, it is compared to his own stated standard. Edited January 11, 2016 by hitops Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 I think if the best the TDS'ers can come up with is this silly issue over nannies, we are in pretty good shape. Quote
hitops Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) I think if the best the TDS'ers can come up with is this silly issue over nannies, we are in pretty good shape. Fortunately it's not. In only a few months of governing, they have not even come close on their promises about refugee resettlement, tax increase paying for tax cuts, or limited deficit to $10B. Not even close. Edited January 11, 2016 by hitops Quote
PIK Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) I hope we are not going to whine about the PM using the challenger jets. And if some employee flew down with them, so what. But the bragging of him having a 3500 dollar a nite room for his holidays, is very poor optics. Edited January 11, 2016 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Fortunately it's not. In only a few months of governing, they have not even come close on their promises about refugee resettlement, or tax increase paying for tax cuts. Not even in the ballpark. Well at least those could be actual issues, but as you say, it's less than 3 months in. The refugee issue is again, much ado about nothing. The budgetary issues do have my attention. Quote
The_Squid Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 I hope we are not going to whine about the PM using the challenger jets. And if some employee flew down with them, so what. But the bragging of him having a 3500 dollar a nite room for his holidays, is very poor optics. cite Quote
PIK Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Really, does anyone pay attention to what goes on before they jump onto a political message board. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Keepitsimple Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) cite Does your request mean you agree that it would be bad optics to be spending $3500 per night? Well, it was "at least" $2500 US which is indeed $3500 Canadian. Good to hear that he at least paid for his airfare........ Canada's new Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is already making good decisions in office ... that is, good decisions when it comes to vacation spots. Trudeau and family spent 10 days at the Paradise Beach Resort in Nevis, a completely different landscape than his native Canada around this time of year.Our island sources say Trudeau dropped at least $2,500 a night to stay in a 3,400 square foot villa in Nevis. We're told he also brought some friends with him and enjoyed the beach and some late night cocktails at the beachfront bar.It's good to be in charge. Link: http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/09/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-caribbean-vacation/ Edited January 11, 2016 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
The_Squid Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Does your request mean you agree that it would be bad optics to be spending $3500 per night? Well, it was "at least" $2500 US which is indeed $3500 Canadian. Good to hear that he at least paid for his airfare........ Link: http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/09/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-caribbean-vacation/ I don't do TMZ articles... you may as well have linked to the National Enquirer! Is that really the best you could do? TMZ?? LOL I was asking for a cite that Trudeau was "bragging about paying $3500 per night". Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 I don't do TMZ articles... you may as well have linked to the National Enquirer! Is that really the best you could do? TMZ?? LOL I was asking for a cite that Trudeau was "bragging about paying $3500 per night". When you lay down with dogs, you're bound to get fleas. Much has been made of Trudeau's celebrity status - and the Liberal Party has been cashing in on that for some time - so is it really surprising that stories would be featured in - wait for it - celebrity news outlets? As for "bragging" - perhaps there's a better word - like "elitist". We now have a PM who can readily spend at least $25,000 on a vacation - something those middle-class Canadians he so "cares about" can only dream of. Not really the best optics after only a couple of months on the job. Here's a National Post article for you: Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/trudeau-will-reimburse-government-for-some-of-the-costs-of-family-travel-to-exclusive-caribbean-resort Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 And he is getting reading to tax the shit out of us. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 When you lay down with dogs, you're bound to get fleas. Much has been made of Trudeau's celebrity status - and the Liberal Party has been cashing in on that for some time - so is it really surprising that stories would be featured in - wait for it - celebrity news outlets? As for "bragging" - perhaps there's a better word - like "elitist". We now have a PM who can readily spend at least $25,000 on a vacation - something those middle-class Canadians he so "cares about" can only dream of. Not really the best optics after only a couple of months on the job. Here's a National Post article for you: Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/trudeau-will-reimburse-government-for-some-of-the-costs-of-family-travel-to-exclusive-caribbean-resort We have a PM who has more disposable income. Why should anyone hold that against him? Are you jealous of wealthy people? Should the wealthy be excluded as MPs or PMs? Should they have to be ",middle class" or at least pretend to be "middle class"? What's your point? As for your TMZ link... they are a gossip site and not a reliable source of information. But then again, I am conversing with someone who probably relies on Breitbart for their information as well... Quote
The_Squid Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 And he is getting reading to tax the shit out of us. OH NOOO!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!! Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 We have a PM who has more disposable income. Why should anyone hold that against him? Are you jealous of wealthy people? Should the wealthy be excluded as MPs or PMs? Should they have to be ",middle class" or at least pretend to be "middle class"? What's your point? As for your TMZ link... they are a gossip site and not a reliable source of information. But then again, I am conversing with someone who probably relies on Breitbart for their information as well... My point is that there is an expression that's sometimes used with wealthy people - they "wear their money well". In other words, they are down to earth people and you wouldn't even know they were rich. I guess I look for more modesty and humility in a leader - especially one who has been heavily criticized as being "elitist". I just continue to see too much "look at me" for my liking. Just my opinion. Not sure why you think the $2500US a night is not "reliable information" - regardless of the source......are you doubting it's accuracy? Quote Back to Basics
msj Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) If Trudeau picked up the tab properly as per the rules I don't see the point in participating in gossip as to how much he has paid out of his personal pocket. Save that for the gossiping grannies group which is not the same thing as this thread nor this forum. I'm sure there must be a gossip forum/chat service out there for those who prefer to speculate on such things? Edited January 11, 2016 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Is there a problem here? Trudeau is paying whatever amount per night out of his pocket. And he is reimbursing the public at economy air fares (as his predecessor the right wing demigod did). And all of the right wingers now have a problem with that? They must be pissed they have nothing real on him. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
The_Squid Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 If Trudeau picked up the tab properly as per the rules I don't see the point in participating in gossip as to how much he has paid out of his personal pocket. Save that for the gossiping grannies group which is not the same thing as this thread nor this forum. I'm sure there must be a gossip forum/chat service out there for those who prefer to speculate on such things? Is there a problem here? Trudeau is paying whatever amount per night out of his pocket. And he is reimbursing the public at economy air fares (as his predecessor the right wing demigod did). And all of the right wingers now have a problem with that? They must be pissed they have nothing real on him. Apparently, there's some jealousy that he can spend more on a vacation than "middle class" Canadians. Envy? It's a bit of an ugly face... Quote
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) d Edited January 11, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Accountability Now Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Is there a problem here? Trudeau is paying whatever amount per night out of his pocket. And he is reimbursing the public at economy air fares (as his predecessor the right wing demigod did). And all of the right wingers now have a problem with that? They must be pissed they have nothing real on him. To be honest....I don't have a problem with anything he did for this vacation. If he wants to spend his money on an elaborate vacation then so be it. Truth be told, that is where I spend my money too. I would actually take it a step further. I don't think that all PMs (not just Trudeau or Harper) should have to pay anything back for the flight. PMs are going to take vacations and when they do it is a security issue so why isn't it just understood that once or twice a year the PM will take the plane for a personal trip. Who honestly cares about the 3 or 4k that he pays back in order to 'save face'. It should be a perk of having that job. Now...if he wants to use it more than his two or three times then there would be an issue. In the end, if Trudeau has money and he wants to spend it then so be it. He shouldn't be ashamed of that in the same way that Trump or Romney or any other famous politician has stated as much. Quote
PIK Posted January 12, 2016 Report Posted January 12, 2016 Just shows the arrogance of liberals that is all. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted January 12, 2016 Report Posted January 12, 2016 Yes, how dare he be wealthy and spend his money. Quote
Smallc Posted January 12, 2016 Report Posted January 12, 2016 My point is that there is an expression that's sometimes used with wealthy people - they "wear their money well". In other words, they are down to earth people and you wouldn't even know they were rich. I guess I look for more modesty and humility in a leader - especially one who has been heavily criticized as being "elitist". I just continue to see too much "look at me" for my liking. Just my opinion. Not sure why you think the $2500US a night is not "reliable information" - regardless of the source......are you doubting it's accuracy? Wear it well? Really? He went on vacation and got a really nice room. I hope these petty complaints don't continue for the next 4 years. Quote
waldo Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 I would actually take it a step further. I don't think that all PMs (not just Trudeau or Harper) should have to pay anything back for the flight. PMs are going to take vacations and when they do it is a security issue so why isn't it just understood that once or twice a year the PM will take the plane for a personal trip. Who honestly cares about the 3 or 4k that he pays back in order to 'save face'. It should be a perk of having that job. Now...if he wants to use it more than his two or three times then there would be an issue. In the end, if Trudeau has money and he wants to spend it then so be it. He shouldn't be ashamed of that in the same way that Trump or Romney or any other famous politician has stated as much. the money "paid back" isn't for the PM... that money is for family members traveling on government planes... for equivalent economy seat travel on a commercial flight. By law, security is required - those Challenger jets are deemed to provide adequate security for the PM. given this nanny-gate thread still has legs... given the focus on vacation spending... it appears the anti-Liberal government types don't have much to work with yet! Quote
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