DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) We should certainly stop doing business with Saudi Arabia. Perhaps if the world sanctioned them, they'd rethink their ways. Most Islamic countries do not condone witch-killing; I could only find two, SA and Gambia. In quite a few countries, the civilians kill suspected witches despite laws against it. This includes Christian majority countries as well as Muslim-majority countries, and countries which are evenly divided Christians/Muslims/Other. Once again, your attempt to prove that only Islam and Muslims promote and support horrific practices fails. Islam executes witches. Saudi Arabia openly. Witchcraft is a sin in Islam (Haram). Allah warns against it. http://quran.com/2/102 What's missing is a connection to current affairs. Canada isn't getting refugees and immigrants from the 15th century. This whole "Muslims did this in the Dark Ages, but Christians did that in the Dark Ages" back-and-forth bickering is completely devoid of relevance to today's affairs. -k Fair enough: did they ever catch the Islamophobe that burnt down the mosque? Did they ever arrest the drive-by Islamophobe that gassed the new-arrivals with pepperspray? No...of course not. Are they even looking? There was already a trial and conviction...so perhaps there no longer is a need. Edited February 7, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 What's missing is a connection to current affairs. Canada isn't getting refugees and immigrants from the 15th century. This whole "Muslims did this in the Dark Ages, but Christians did that in the Dark Ages" back-and-forth bickering is completely devoid of relevance to today's affairs. -k Can't disagree with you there, so I'll stop responding to that argument.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Can't disagree with you there, so I'll stop responding to that argument. Dropped your halo... (DOP picks it up and hands it to you) Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Fair enough: did they ever catch the Islamophobe that burnt down the mosque? Did they ever arrest the drive-by Islamophobe that gassed the new-arrivals with pepperspray? No...of course not. Are they even looking? There was already a trial and conviction...so perhaps there no longer is a need. You mean, kinda like some people have tried and convicted innocent Muslims for the actions of extremist Muslims?
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 You mean, kinda like some people have tried and convicted innocent Muslims for the actions of extremist Muslims? Which ones? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Which ones? Oh you know, the people who say "Muslims are killing other Muslims wholesale and some Westerners! Islam is evil! Muslims are backward, uncivilized and violent", etc., while simultaneously pretending that Western military actions in the region are innocuous and irrelevant.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Oh you know, the people who say "Muslims are killing other Muslims wholesale and some Westerners! Islam is evil! Muslims are backward, uncivilized and violent", etc., while simultaneously pretending that Western military actions in the region are innocuous and irrelevant. Actual examples, please. Not your made-up ones. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Actual examples, please. Not your made-up ones. Nope. You want to know, you look. I've been down this road before with you and I'm not wasting my time because you've already proven that you'll accept nothing that does not fit your preconceived notion.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Now...if you were an investigative sort of person...watch CSI...read Sherlock Holmes, etc...you'd notice a common factor (other than Muslim victims) behind all three main incidents of Islamophobia: pepper-spray, mosque fire and woman and child mugged and beaten. Any guess as to what that might be? You could investigate the stories yourself and notice the one common factor....if you're looking. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Nope. You want to know, you look. I've been down this road before with you and I'm not wasting my time because you've already proven that you'll accept nothing that does not fit your preconceived notion. That's not how it works. Back-up your claims against me and others. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Special Delivery Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Okay children. You both made your points and reached a Mexican stand-off it appears. Can we just agree that religious differences breeds mistrust, hate, and ultimately violence? I was a Christian for 27 years until I learned the bible was edited 3 times by the Vatican. Now I just see religion as a man-made political tool/weapon to win influence over others. George W. Bush claimed to be a Christian yet he did the most ungodly things possible (authorized the use of chemical weapons on women and children and elders in Fallujah in 2007 for example). There was nothing "Christian" about Bush but he needed Christian voters... so he pretended to be one! Let's all stop pretending we are better than someone else because of what we believe. We should all be judged by our individual ACTS and not as part of any group. Agreed? Edited February 7, 2016 by Special Delivery
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 So you understand then that the tenets of their religions called for, and in their times carried out, violence that certainly equaled anything Islam has. Evidence? Cite? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Sorry if the history deflates your discussion, but that's just the way of the world. I can't help noticing that those who talk about Muslim slaughters and conquest post cites to support them and you... you got nothing Then again, probably hard to find cites when you just make stuff up. Edited February 7, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world, Which is mind blowingly ridiculous, and completely ignores the fact that when Western military force is used its virtually always after western countries have been attacked or in defense of others being slaughtered. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Canada isn't getting refugees and immigrants from the 15th century. I bet if you could talk to some of them from Islamic lands and ask questions about their social values you might wonder if that were true. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Evidence? Cite?Try reading the book of Joshua.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Which is mind blowingly ridiculous, and completely ignores the fact that when Western military force is used its virtually always after western countries have been attacked or in defense of others being slaughtered. Uh huh. Explain Iraq then, for starters.
kimmy Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I bet if you could talk to some of them from Islamic lands and ask questions about their social values you might wonder if that were true. The social values and cultural norms of the people who will be coming into Canada are very relevant to the topic at hand. I think there's lots of reason for concern without going back decades or centuries. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The social values and cultural norms of the people who will be coming into Canada are very relevant to the topic at hand. I think there's lots of reason for concern without going back decades or centuries. -k Goes to motive... If Islam is Peace...where and when can we look to to see this in action? The Golden Age of Islam, perhaps? Where everybody was nice and Dhimmied-up via the Pact of Omar? If not that...where...when? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Can we just agree that religious differences breeds mistrust, hate, and ultimately violence? How much violence is there between Roman Catholics and Orthodox Catholics? What about between Baptists and Presbyterians? Let's all stop pretending we are better than someone else because of what we believe. I believe adultery should not be punished by death. I believe you should feel free to blaspheme or leave your religion if you want and not be executed. And yes I believe I'm better than someone else who believes differently. We should all be judged by our individual ACTS and not as part of any group. Agreed? Individuals should be judged by their own statements and actions. Groups, on the other hand, can be judged by the general characteristics of that group. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Try reading the book of Joshua. So you've got nothing. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Uh huh. Explain Iraq then, for starters. The first Iraq war was after Iraq had attacked a western ally. The second Iraq war happened for a variety of reasons, none of which were related to the desire of Christians to expand Christianity or punish infidels. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The first Iraq war was after Iraq had attacked a western ally. The second Iraq war happened for a variety of reasons, none of which were related to the desire of Christians to expand Christianity or punish infidels. So all ya got there is a back pedal. OK.
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The social values and cultural norms of the people who will be coming into Canada are very relevant to the topic at hand. I think there's lots of reason for concern without going back decades or centuries. I believe the going back centuries is simply to establish a pattern. Team Islam says Islam is a religion of peace so we shouldn't treat it any differently than any other religion. They say that the violence in the middle east is the result of Western imperialism or colonialism. Yet Islam has never been a religion of peace, and has been constantly at war with everyone else from Muhammad's time. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 So all ya got there is a back pedal. OK. Apparently you don't understand English. Unfortunately I don't know another language to attempt to communicate with you. This medium does not allow for drawings. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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