On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 There is no difference between the two sect's Quran. The Schism started after Mohammad's death as to who got to take-over. Ali or Abu Bakr. And that schism still exists, depending on who's interpretation you read.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 And that schism still exists, depending on who's interpretation you read. Uh...no...the Quran isn't about what happened after Muhammad died. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Just so you know: The Quran is the very word of Allah. It wasn't written by a human. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) You're talking about a thing. You might as well be talking about a two by four. You can use it to build a food bank or cave someone's head in with it and like a religion you'd have no more business saying the evil two by four made me do it. But that is exactly what I say in the quote you posted. I make the very point you do. Edited February 7, 2016 by bcsapper
eyeball Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 An ideology exists like a collective in my opinion. A sum of human thought and action. Thus it is more than a 2x4. Okay, lets play it your way. What you say is even more true of a culture or a society - they constitute a whole that is greater than the sum of the people they outlive and they represent and carry the mores and values of those individuals. Therefore the lasting damage and dysfunction that the abuse of a weaker culture by a more powerful one is, like that in the case of individual human beings, the responsibility of the abuser to acknowledge and address. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Just so you know: The Quran is the very word of Allah. It wasn't written by a human. I think it probably was, just as it is interpreted by humans.
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Just so you know: The Quran is the very word of Allah. It wasn't written by a human. How can that be? There is no actual being called Allah. He's fictional. The book, on the other hand, is real.
eyeball Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 But that is exactly what I say in the quote you posted. I make the very point you do. You also said it was just sophistry, make up your mind. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I think it probably was, just as it is interpreted by humans. If you're a Muslim, that's the deal. Dictated by Allah to Muhammad via Gabriel. As I've also mentioned...the Quran warns against modification and reform in Surah 2. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 How can that be? There is no actual being called Allah. He's fictional. The book, on the other hand, is real. To a Muslim, Allah is real...as are his commands. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) You also said it was just sophistry, make up your mind. The bit that I said was sophistry, was sophistry. I then clarified my words to ensure you would know what they meant. They meant exactly what you posted in your reply. Going back to the original post in question, both our comments mean the same thing. Edited February 7, 2016 by bcsapper
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 To a Muslim, Allah is real...as are his commands. Like Mormons then?
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Like Mormons then? Are Mormons committing global terrorism? No? Then not like the Mormons...crazy as that is. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Are Mormons committing global terrorism? No? Then not like the Mormons...crazy as that is. No, I meant, they believe the word of God was dictated to their prophet. I saw it on South Park.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 No, I meant, they believe the word of God was dictated to their prophet. I saw it on South Park. Great episode. Dumb---diddi--dumb, dumb, dumb. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 To a Muslim, Allah is real...as are his commands. To a Muslim Allah is God.Same God as Christians and Jews. They also are subject to deciding which interpretation of their holy book they agree with.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) No, I meant, they believe the word of God was dictated to their prophet. I saw it on South Park. But yes, in that respect... Islam is dangerous simply because it is a warrior's religion. The fast track to the big table is via fighting (and dying) in the name of Allah. No other religion offers a better heaven for dying for the faith. And what a heaven! For men, that is... Edited February 7, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 To a Muslim Allah is God.Same God as Christians and Jews. They also are subject to deciding which interpretation of their holy book they agree with. That's Islam's claim....all your gods and such are OURS. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 All your gods are belong to us. Yes....the advantage of coming last, I suppose. Islam at first tried to woo the Jews into joining by doing the whole praying towards Jerusalem....then there was the falling-out....as it were....heads rolled. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 That's Islam's claim....all your gods and such are OURS. Nope, they agree there is just one god.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Nope, they agree there is just one god. How nice for the Christians and Jews that Islam agreed for them....lol. We are the Borg... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The bit that I said was sophistry, was sophistry. Then everything you said is too either that or you're trying to have it both ways. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 It's a spin. "Lobbying for Sharia law" is a lot different than lobbying to have cultural differences accommodated within existing Canadian law, similar to the way in which First Nations do. In any case, they were turned down. Depends on who is interpreting and enforcing the sharia law in question. You and others seem to think Sharia law is some kind of hard-wired code that is exactly the same everywhere, but it's not. Kinda like the difference between the US, Canada, the UK etc. Our laws are similar in many ways, but they're not exactly alike. Thus, what might get one the death penalty in one country results in jail time in another country. From what I've seen, Sharia law has even more latitude in its application than do the standard body of laws that Western countries tend to follow. You've literally spent months, every post you make tells us that muslims and Christians are the same, that all religions are the same, that muslim men and western men are the same, that muslims and the western world treat women and homosexuals the same, that the west has just as much terrorism as Islamics. Now, you're here to criticize people for assuming that muslims are the same as other muslims are you're gonna explain the difference in Muslim groups. You're going to sort out how christianity is same (violence wise) as islam, but some Islam is not the same as other Islam. Please tell us more! The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Then everything you said is too either that or you're trying to have it both ways. Not at all. The two statements I quoted were equivalent. Your interpretation of my statement was the wrong one, as I had attempted to clarify.
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