Waiting for the Trudeau Jnr Flip-Flop

[August1991]

The Globe & Mail reports:

Mr. Trudeau did not speak to reporters Saturday, but a senior official from the Prime Minister’s Office confirmed Saturday evening that the government stands by its refugee plan and its position on the role Canada should play in the Syrian conflict.

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The CBC's Milewski says:

Upon his departure from Canada for the G20 summit in Turkey, Justin Trudeau ducked the question of whether he would reconsider his plan to bring the CF-18s home.

"It's too soon to jump to any conclusions," he told reporters at the Ottawa airport.

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[Make no mistake, the Globe and the CBC move in the same circles, have the same mindset, as Trudeau Jnr and senior officials.]

Very soon, we will see/hear the "senior officials" explaining that the situation is different or other factors come into play or [insert any ad hoc reason here]. Watch the Liberals flip-flop on the refugee thing and even the whip-em out jets.

But Trudeau Jnr will still say that we are assisting our allies while still accepting Syrian refugees. You gotta love politics except this time, I think the same rules don't quite apply. (IMHO, we are back in pre-1990 territory.)

Edited November 15, 2015 by August1991

[ReeferMadness]

And... will any of it matter?

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[Guest]

And... will any of it matter?

Probably not. What politicians say they are going to do rarely bears any relation to what they eventually do.

[August1991]

Probably not. What politicians say they are going to do rarely bears any relation to what they eventually do.

In the midst of the FLQ crisis in 1970, Trudeau Snr had no qualms about what he was doing -regardless of what those around him were saying. Trudeau Snr had principles.

Trudeau Jnr, now, has no such clear thinking. His "principles" are those of his father as understood by his mother. When the Liberal guys (Butts etc) see the poll numbers, Trudeau Jnr will flip/fold.

First. we will see the 25,000 number put off until after Christmas. Then, we may see a switch on the military thing.

And then still, we will enter a world of Gérald Tremblay, or (worse even) Isabelita Peron.

[Smoke]

And... will any of it matter?

Probably not...it's only a problem when a conservative flip flops.

[poochy]

And... will any of it matter?

it matters that the last government was right, and the new one, along with people like you, were always obviously wrong.

Edited November 15, 2015 by poochy

[poochy]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html

[msj]

If Trudeau steps back and delays the artificial, arbitrary, and self imposed deadline then I think most people will agree with that, or enough won't care as to make such wanking about "flip flopping" look like the wankstering it is.

[msj]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html

This link to a news story where a Euro official spreads what is likely planted propaganda that one of the suicide bombers made it through as a Syrian refugee....

Such propaganda suits the agenda of ISIS so thanks for helping the terrorists out. Perhaps your reward will be in the after life or maybe a little something in the mail.

[RealCanadian]

Probably not. What politicians say they are going to do rarely bears any relation to what they eventually do.

Our political process needs to be amended to provide for 'Referendums' on bigger issues that face Canadians during a term of government. We need more than a single vote every 4 years.

[Guest]

Our political process needs to be amended to provide for 'Referendums' on bigger issues that face Canadians during a term of government. We need more than a single vote every 4 years.

I can see referendums on some, large issues. I could see one on electoral reform, for instance.

I could never advocate for referendum on issues like the death penalty, gay marriage, assisted suicide, abortion, etc., where individual rights are affected.

[CITIZEN_2015]

When Trudeau last spoke it wasn't even 100% clear if it was a terrorist attack and certainly not clear it was ISIS. So he said it is too early and he was right. I believe that Trudeau will keep all his promises including the ones I don't personally agree with (like bringing 25000 refugees by end of the year or legalization of marijuana). But I still fully support him because he said so very clearly that is what he will do if elected and in spite of that I voted for him (for all other good promises he made and policies he announced). Unlike damn conservatives who with their corruptions and scandals broke most of their promises and even manipulated the books to make the budget balanced.

[Wilber]

This link to a news story where a Euro official spreads what is likely planted propaganda that one of the suicide bombers made it through as a Syrian refugee....

Such propaganda suits the agenda of ISIS so thanks for helping the terrorists out. Perhaps your reward will be in the after life or maybe a little something in the mail.

Your opinion. Nowhere in that article does it maintain that it is likely planted propaganda.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Wilber

[msj]

Your opinion. Nowhere in that article does it maintain that it is likely planted propaganda.

1) This is a discussion forum so, yeah, my opinion.

2) Of course those who want to spread propaganda, or believe it so as to not be sketical to wonder if they are spreading propaganda, are not going to come out and say: it's in ISIS' interests for this to be believed.....

[SpankyMcFarland]

As the evidence changes, his policies should change in response to that - which is what one should want from any leader.

[poochy]

1) This is a discussion forum so, yeah, my opinion.

2) Of course those who want to spread propaganda, or believe it so as to not be sketical to wonder if they are spreading propaganda, are not going to come out and say: it's in ISIS' interests for this to be believed.....

I see, so the article must be untrue and you must be correct. Well, im completely convinced. Of course anything is possible, you could be right, but in lieu of any evidence to that affect I will probably believe the report over your theories and at the same time wonder at the ease of which some of you delude yourselves in order to make the world fit your point of view.

Edited November 15, 2015 by poochy

[poochy]

As the evidence changes, his policies should change in response to that - which is what one should want from any leader.

As his fact and evidence based government plan has already changed, this change should be pretty easy as well.

[msj]

I don't expect you to be convinced since you have swallowed the bait, line, hook, and sinker.

[SpankyMcFarland]

As his fact and evidence based government plan has already changed, this change should be pretty easy as well.

Governments must adapt.

[drummindiver]

As the evidence changes, his policies should change in response to that - which is what one should want from any leader.

..and all the evidence of what ISIS was doing wasn't evidence enough of the evidence,

He was voted in on withdrawing from Syria. Now it's ok because things changed?

How in hell did they change? Burning ppl alive in cages wasn't enough for him or you?

[drummindiver]

Governments must adapt.

nuclear face palm

Canada was the most respected country in the world under Harper.

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You are just apologizing for flip flops, not adaptation.

[msj]

nuclear face palm

Canada was the most respected country in the world under Harper.

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Citation needed.

[drummindiver]

Citation needed.

Oh, sorry.

Did you mean this?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-ranked-as-most-admired-country-in-the-world-report-1.2470040

[msj]

Oh, sorry.

Did you mean this?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-ranked-as-most-admired-country-in-the-world-report-1.2470040

Yes thank you. You could have linked to it in the first place when you made the claim.

Not much detail on the methodology though and on how far back such ratings go.

Reputation takes a long time to build and can be destroyed very quickly so I don't see evidence that this favouable result lies solely with Harper.

[drummindiver]

Yes thank you. You could have linked to it in the first place when you made the claim.

Not much detail on the methodology though and on how far back such ratings go.

Reputation takes a long time to build and can be destroyed very quickly so I don't see evidence that this favouable result lies solely with Harper.

You would have had issue no matter whom I quoted, thus I quoted a known leftist establishment.

And I didn't link to it earlier, as it has been linked and discussed on numerous occasions.

Clearly, as it didn't jive with your stance, you took no notice.