ToadBrother Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Bush, Cheney, Blair and Howard knew exactly what they were doing in Iraq...apparently picking new CPC leadership in Canada is far more difficult. Actually, I don't think that they did know. I think that Bush and Blair thought that if they just toppled the Baathists, the country would somehow just end up a relatively stable democracy. They forget the hard-won lessons of the Truman presidency, that transforming war-torn former dictatorships is actually very expensive. Turning West Germany and Japan into stable, democratic states took a helluva lot of effort, and wasn't simply accomplished by hanging some Nazis and Japanese generals.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Actually, I don't think that they did know. I think that Bush and Blair thought that if they just toppled the Baathists, the country would somehow just end up a relatively stable democracy. They forget the hard-won lessons of the Truman presidency, that transforming war-torn former dictatorships is actually very expensive. Turning West Germany and Japan into stable, democratic states took a helluva lot of effort, and wasn't simply accomplished by hanging some Nazis and Japanese generals. They were also highly homogeneous societies.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Actually, I don't think that they did know..... Nope....regime change in Iraq was UK/US policy long before Bush...it was a matter of U.S. Public Law. None of this has anything whatsoever to do with new CPC opposition party leadership, but this is what we usually get around here now that all the excitement of Canada's election is over. Back to the shiny things across the border. Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Posted October 26, 2015 None of this has anything whatsoever to do with new CPC opposition party leadershipExactly. Let's keep to the topic.
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 He gets credit for muzzling lunatics and keeping a united right together. He was a great party leader, but a terrible nation leader. How did he win 3 election sand be Prime Minister for 9 years? Paul Martin, Stéphane Dion, and Michael Ignatieff. We can all be grateful for that, at least. I think that all Canadians, regardless of their political views, can at least be united in thanking Harper for making sure that frickin Moon Unit Dion and "de Green Shit" agenda never made it to 24 Sussex. Holy crap, what a freaking disaster. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
On Guard for Thee Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Bush, Cheney, Blair and Howard knew exactly what they were doing in Iraq...apparently picking new CPC leadership in Canada is far more difficult. They knew they were creating an absolute s***thole that would result in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, and result in war rimes findings against them? Man you must think they are even dumber and more criminal than even I thought!
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 It certainly seems as if Jason Kenney would be the front-runner, but I don't think he'd be the best choice for the party. He is basically Mini-Harper in many respects. I do think he's a more effective communicator than Harper, and comes across as authentic when he talks, but I don't think he's the kind of guy who could "grow the brand" as they say. I think that people who just couldn't get behind Harper probably won't be able to get behind Kenney either. My preference would be for a "Red Tory" type, a fiscal conservative who is not beholden to social conservative, culture-war type issues. And my preference would be somebody who seems "nice", because it is simply good politics. Somebody more warm and personable would make a lot of the attacks that were effective against Harper a lot less effective. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Guest Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 *IF* Trudeau's electoral reform promise leads to a proportional electoral system, does anyone think the right will remain united?
The_Squid Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 *IF* Trudeau's electoral reform promise leads to a proportional electoral system, does anyone think the right will remain united? Good question.... I think they will try and stay united...
G Huxley Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 We can all be grateful for that, at least. I think that all Canadians, regardless of their political views, can at least be united in thanking Harper for making sure that frickin Moon Unit Dion and "de Green Shit" agenda never made it to 24 Sussex. Holy crap, what a freaking disaster. -k Satire right?
Guest Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 How horrible it would have been to start taxing carbon more and income less. (sarcasm alert) Dion did seem like a great diplomat, committee chair or cabinet minister but 'Not A Leader' that inspired confidence or control.
waldo Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Satire right? clearly MLW member 'kimmy' is being satirical..... cause that same consumption based revenue neutral carbon tax approach seems to be working just fine in British Columbia! Yup... must be satire.
G Huxley Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Boohoohoo I'm a conservative who drives a gas guzzling SUV everywhere and gets so upset when those liberals try to make me pay extra taxes for it. Edited October 26, 2015 by G Huxley
-1=e^ipi Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) And my preference would be somebody who seems "nice", because it is simply good politics. Somebody more warm and personable would make a lot of the attacks that were effective against Harper a lot less effective. Yeah, I think the conservatives have pretty much used up all their political capital on negativity. They'll have to campaign on new policy and try to explain why they would make a more effective government. Also, in 4 years time I doubt the 'not ready' narrative will hold. Edited October 26, 2015 by -1=e^ipi
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Satire right? clearly MLW member 'kimmy' is being satirical..... cause that same consumption based revenue neutral carbon tax approach seems to be working just fine in British Columbia! Yup... must be satire. No, I think that given the choice between a mass Ebola outbreak hitting Canada, or Prime Minister Stephane Dion, I think the Ebola outbreak would have caused less harm. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah, I think the conservatives have pretty much used up all their political capital on negativity. They'll have to campaign on new policy and try to explain why they would make a more effective government. Also, in 4 years time I doubt the 'not ready' narrative will hold. I think we're in complete agreement on that much, but let me rustle your jimmies by suggesting that a female leader would be preferable. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
-1=e^ipi Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 I think we're in complete agreement on that much, but let me rustle your jimmies by suggesting that a female leader would be preferable. I'm not sure what jimmies are but I would have preferred Martha Hall Findlay as our pm, or are you referring to the cpc? Sex shouldn't matter.
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Yes, I'm still referring to the CPC leadership. I think that the CPC's chronic "gender gap" might be reduced if Raitt or Rempel were the new leader, although it's not guaranteed. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 John Baird just released a statement confirming that he will NOT be running. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
cybercoma Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Posted October 26, 2015 It sounds like Peter Mackay is flirting with it. Not John Baird, but running.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Belinda Stronarch would have made a better PM than Harper. But the moderates have basically all been pushed out of the Conservative party, so whatever. I guess if you want the CPC to win, a woman would make sense, purely due to the extra votes, but I don't see why the CPC winning is desirable.
angrypenguin Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Belinda Stronarch would have made a better PM than Harper. But the moderates have basically all been pushed out of the Conservative party, so whatever. I guess if you want the CPC to win, a woman would make sense, purely due to the extra votes, but I don't see why the CPC winning is desirable. Lower taxes? My views are my own and not those of my employer.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 I heard Erin O'Toole on the Current today. He is staying visible, or audible anyway. If Raitt does not run, he may carry the Ontario banner (although Kenney may claim he's carrying that banner in the ethnic suburbs). He ticks a lot of boxes and has definite appeal to the centre right 10% the Cons are looking for beyond their devout believers. Fiery oratory doesn't seem to be his forte which may be no bad thing.
cybercoma Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Posted October 26, 2015 The "ethnic" suburbs love Jason Kenney and he loves them, provided the speak "perfect unaccented english."
Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 *IF* Trudeau's electoral reform promise leads to a proportional electoral system, does anyone think the right will remain united? Do you think the Left will? The NDP would certainly split up. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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