Scotty Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Why not someone from the prairies? We are just as canadian as anyone else. It should be the best person for the job. French can be taught, competence cant be. Don't expect that to be a position which will resonate within the new government of Canada, as controlled from Quebec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) slim pickens and slim left town! When you see the names floated and they actually offer comment that they're contemplating it - yeesh! Names like lightweights and/or deadwood Ambrose, Rempel, Clement, Raitt, etc.. What? You mean Harper didn't "groom" anyone to take over? oh wait... there's always Mr. Charisma 'Jason Kenney'! Seeing Justin Trudeau led his party to victory being a "lightweight" it seems to resonate with Canadians. Edited October 23, 2015 by Newfoundlander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 He said "swing" voters. And the CPC did not lose because of communication. In my opinion they lost because of bad policies and legislation and most of it was not "conservative" anyways. Ultimately, they lost because the NDP vote collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Ultimately, they lost because the NDP vote collapsed. And the NDP vote collapsed because the Tories' attempt to undermine the NDP with the niqab issue worked far better than they imagined, and in the process destroyed the small chance the Tories had to even cling to a minority. But we know very well now that the Tories knew they were screwed months before the writ was dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why not someone from the prairies? We are just as canadian as anyone else. It should be the best person for the job. French can be taught, competence cant be. That's fine I suppose if they're from the prairies, I mean Joe Clark was from the prairies and he was a very broadly likeable PC conservative. I'm saying probably not a Canadian Alliance Tory, who tend to be even more socially conservative and more religious. They need a socially moderate, economically conservative PC kind of leader. I'd vote for an economic conservative, but not a xenophobic evangelical anti-science wingnut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Ultimately, they lost because the NDP vote collapsed. The NDP vote didn't collapse in a bubble, it all shifted to the Liberals to strategically oust Harper's CPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 That's fine I suppose if they're from the prairies, I mean Joe Clark was from the prairies and he was a very broadly likeable PC conservative. I'm saying probably not a Canadian Alliance Tory, who tend to be even more socially conservative and more religious. They need a socially moderate, economically conservative PC kind of leader. I'd vote for an economic conservative, but not a xenophobic evangelical anti-science wingnut. But stockwell day was religious, yet when he was in his high profile cabinet post, he did a good job and kept his beliefs at the door. Just because someone is religious doesn't necessarily mean they are a wing nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'd vote for an economic conservative, but not a xenophobic evangelical anti-science wingnut. Nobody would vote for someone who actually was one of those. That wouldn't stop the left from making the accusation against someone who was not far enough to the left for their liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The NDP vote didn't collapse in a bubble, it all shifted to the Liberals to strategically oust Harper's CPC. If the NDP continue to think that then they're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Think of the greatest of the Tories; Disraeli, whose sole goal in life was making the British Empire as large as it could be. And then look at the greatest of the Liberals, William Gladstone, who literally had to be bullied into sending in the troops to try to save Gordon at the Siege of Khartoum. That being the case, I see nothing "unconservative" about military interventions. We can debate whether bombing ISIS is good (frankly, I don't think there are enough bombs in the word, and once we've bombed them into oblivion we should keep dropping bombs on them for another ten years), but I see nothing un-Conservative about it. I agree in a way but didn't we have Liberal PM's when we went into both WW2 and Korea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Nobody would vote for someone who actually was one of those. That wouldn't stop the left from making the accusation against someone who was not far enough to the left for their liking. Let's see, spend but don't tax, (adding huge to the debt), try to forbid people from following their chosen religion, subscribing to a religious outfit like CAMA, and fire ~2000 government scientists and attempt to muzzle those left. Yep, pretty well covers MG's bullet list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Rempel is too young and inexperienced.Agist nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 And the NDP vote collapsed because the Tories' attempt to undermine the NDP with the niqab issue worked far better than they imagined, and in the process destroyed the small chance the Tories had to even cling to a minority.But we know very well now that the Tories knew they were screwed months before the writ was dropped.Trudeau had the same stance on niqabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) The more lightweight you make Trudeau, the more substantial you make his achievement. How did he do so much with so little? It's a problem us Dubya haters faced a while back. Is it all about the family tree? I feel a Supertramp song coming on... Of the very early Conservative possibles, Lisa Raitt annoys me the least. Heck, I could vote for that woman, something warm about her. She even speaks well of her opponents and there was a lovely moment on PandP today where Raitt celebrated Megan Leslie's achievements. Smirky Rempel, not so much, way too full of herself, unCanadian bombast being shown there but she sure has something going on, maybe more appeal to younger voters and she certainly is quick on her feet. I don't rate Ambrose or Leitch at all. Kenney? A big gamble for them. He'll never be giving us the tweetstorm Rempel just treated us to. At least I hope not. Edited October 23, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 I think they'll end up with someone unexpected. Perhaps someone not currently in politics even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) I agree in a way but didn't we have Liberal PM's when we went into both WW2 and Korea? It shows the limits of terms like conservative, liberal, progressive or socialist. They have been bent so out of shape by special pleading, they mean very little now. The current US campaign has further complicated matters. Two of the major candidates on the extreme of each party, Trump and Sanders, express similar concerns about the US economy esp. on trade deals. Edited October 23, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeelious Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Rempel is too young and inexperienced. Honestly her twitter feed the other night was sort of amazing. Allthough I didn't much like her as a mouthpiece for the Harper Government, I think she might do fine on her own account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeelious Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 If the NDP continue to think that then they're doomed. Re: Their vote collapsing due to strategic voting. I agree. They have some soul searching to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Michelle Rempel seems nice. And as dumb as it might sound, I think that's an important quality. I think a substantial part of Harper's eventual downfall was his inability to seem nice. The idea of "compassionate conservatism" would seem more believable if it came from somebody who people actually believe has some compassion. -k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Michelle Rempel seems nice. And as dumb as it might sound, I think that's an important quality. I think a substantial part of Harper's eventual downfall was his inability to seem nice. The idea of "compassionate conservatism" would seem more believable if it came from somebody who people actually believe has some compassion. -k I find Lisa Raitt a lot nicer and more genuine. Rempel is too fond of grinning at the wrong moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 I think a substantial part of Harper's eventual downfall was his inability to seem nice. -k The more I reflect on Harper, the more I think he was just a lifelong politics geek who is probably just socially awkward, especially when he has cameras shoved in his face. A lot of people point to that time he shook his son's hand as a symbol of how inhuman he could be. I think he's probably just a socially awkward political wonk, whose gamesmanship and ideology I vehemently disagree with. I kind of feel bad about people misunderstanding his personality, but that's the downside to public life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The more lightweight you make Trudeau, the more substantial you make his achievement. So then you are an admirer of Ronald Reagan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Honestly her twitter feed the other night was sort of amazing. Allthough I didn't much like her as a mouthpiece for the Harper Government, I think she might do fine on her own account. In cabinet, certainly. Not as prime minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The problem is that the federal Cabinet has evolved into being not only the roudtable of decision making but also a political party planning session. Trudeau has stated that he will actually give Cabinet members the power to make their own decisions. Not sure if that is a good idea or not. There are members of other parties who are moderates and well versed in Cabinet posts and could be quite capable of running an efficient department. But how could a party discuss party strategy of how it will present legislation with the "enemy" in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 So then you are an admirer of Ronald Reagan? In some ways, yes. He had a nice turn of phrase and some of his letters were excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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