G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I know, democracy means rule by the citizenry. However, you forget the death of Socrates. What about it? Socrates asked to be killed by the law of Athens which he believed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 What makes a country a superpower how much it can rape the environment globally? Sorry I don't want Canada to go that road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 What about it? Socrates asked to be killed by the law of Athens which he believed in. He should not die of his wisdom pursuing. The majority voted to deprive his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 What makes a country a superpower how much it can rape the environment globally? Sorry I don't want Canada to go that road. Too late...Canada not only "rapes" its own environment, but Canadian mining companies happily rape the environments of other nations as well. Merging the NDP and Greens wouldn't change any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 What makes a country a superpower how much it can rape the environment globally? Sorry I don't want Canada to go that road. I agree your attitude on environment, but disagree you ignore the crucial role of political leadership in USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) There's too much stupidity emanating from the political leadership of the USA. To the current political leadership 1984 is an instruction manual. Edited October 19, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Too late...Canada not only "rapes" its own environment, but Canadian mining companies happily rape the environments of other nations as well. Merging the NDP and Greens wouldn't change any of that. Thank you Bush/Cheney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 He should not die of his wisdom pursuing. The majority voted to deprive his life. Actually the jury wanted him to get off, but he wanted to die and so challenged them to convict him and kill him, and even then people wanted him to escape but he chose to die instead so as not to violate the law he believed in. Have you read Plato's writings on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Actually the jury wanted him to get off, but he wanted to die and so challenged them to convict him and kill him, and even then people wanted him to escape but he chose to die instead so as not to violate the law he believed in. Have you read Plato's writings on this? He is highly morally. You can not hope he chose to be a fugitive to betray his own soul only for his own life. I support he chose to obey the law. And similar problem appears in democracy. The majority has a tendency to ignore the voice of minority, except there is actual protection for minority. And the later is republic regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The majority wanted Socrates to get off, few if anyone really wanted him to die. Socrates wanted to die to prove the strength of his philosophical convictions and to gain a sort of immortality in doing so as the Homeric heroes had survived through poetic laudation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) In regards to a republic representing the minorities, (as differentiated from elites) of course it doesn't and never did. Republics tend to benefit elites and consolidate their power. Even Plato envisaged this with his concept of the philosopher king, who would be the natural rulers of republics by virtue of their intelligence. Edited October 19, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The majority wanted Socrates to get off, few if anyone really wanted him to die. Socrates wanted to die to prove the strength of his philosophical convictions and to gain a sort of immortality in doing so as the Homeric heroes had survived through poetic laudation. They voted a death sentence to him, and you said they did not want him to die, it is unfair. There is the mood of majority in democracy. Just as Iraq war, before beginning, the majority of American people supported such a war, years later, they opposed the same war. Republic has a mechanism to adjust such a mood. However, the republic of USA still is not complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 In regards to a republic representing the minorities, (as differentiated from elites) of course it doesn't and never did. Republics tend to benefit elites and consolidate their power. Even Plato envisaged this with his concept of the philosopher king, who would be the natural rulers of republics by virtue of their intelligence. Republic is not to represent the minorities, but protect the basic rights of each one in the whole, and the representative system is only working on this foundation. The elites make more contribution to the whole society, it is very fair they have more share of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Combining the NDP with the Green Party?? Easy.. the answer is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 No. Their huge wealth is from good capitalism, not from the economy of manor.And the foundation of that capitalism was laid pre civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 What's your exact political duty？It's known as voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 They voted a death sentence to him, and you said they did not want him to die, it is unfair. There is the mood of majority in democracy. Just as Iraq war, before beginning, the majority of American people supported such a war, years later, they opposed the same war. Republic has a mechanism to adjust such a mood. However, the republic of USA still is not complete. Socrates himself voted for himself to be executed. They were following the law and Socrates' challenge. There was nothing unfair in the process at all. It was very fair. Socrates in fact said that it was 100% just that he was to be executed, because he had violated in the law that he believed in. Yes imperialism in Democracy and in Republics is a major problem and caused the collapse of Athenian democracy. Your idea of Republic protecting minorities is pie in the sky. "The elites make more contribution to the whole society, it is very fair they have more share of power." B.S. the slave labourers make a far greater contribution to the whole society than the elites. You are just spewing the elite's own propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Socrates himself voted for himself to be executed. They were following the law and Socrates' challenge. There was nothing unfair in the process at all. It was very fair. Socrates in fact said that it was 100% just that he was to be executed, because he had violated in the law that he believed in. Yes imperialism in Democracy and in Republics is a major problem and caused the collapse of Athenian democracy. Your idea of Republic protecting minorities is pie in the sky. "The elites make more contribution to the whole society, it is very fair they have more share of power." B.S. the slave labourers make a far greater contribution to the whole society than the elites. You are just spewing the elite's own propaganda. Do you think the scientist Newton is an elite or a slave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 He wasn't a political elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 He wasn't a political elite. So, are you a political slave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 What is a 'political slave.'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 What is a 'political slave.'? Meaning on your political elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I still don't get what you are asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) I still don't get what you are asking. Political slave is at the opposite of political elite. He wasn't a political elite. What do you mean political elite? Edited October 20, 2015 by Exegesisme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Slave is at the opposite end of the political elite, 'political slave' is confusing. Political elite e.g. those who wield political power and influence far beyond the average of the demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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