G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) And now we all watch from a distance.... Well put. I`ve voted 10 times and only one of my votes ever went to a candidate who got elected. Edited October 19, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 In a democracy, as in all other aspects of life, you're not going to get everything you want. If that's your expectation, then there isn't a political system that will ever deliver you that expectation. Did I complain that I didn't get everything I want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think Elizabeth May is by far our best party-leader and she is incredibly smart. I almost voted Green this time around when my NDP candidate was polling very strong and I thought I'd increase the Green popular vote, but I ended up voting NDP after all when Liberal support increased. Truth is, even if I'd voted Green, I'm more ideologically in line with the NDP and I love what they stand for. Everything from social policy to economic to Clarity Act. There is not much I can think of in their platform with which I disagree. The Greens have some policies that I think are a bit too idealist, at least for a North American audience. 20 years ago, I could have been an ardent Green supporter but I've becomes a bit jaded by humanity as the years wore on. I love what each party brings to the table, I would hate to see them merge. I think things were best when we had Alliance, Reform, Liberals, NDP and Greens. A little something for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah I prefer diversity of options as well. It represents democracy and the demos the best at least under proportional systems where one ideologically winged party doesn`t get all the vote from one wing. Edited October 19, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 If you want a Republic check out the US presidential system (no thanks, I`ll take democracy instead any day. Actual democracy that is and we don`t really have that in Canada right now). US presidential system is great. If not, by what they become superpower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 To be fair, there are at least 3 other systems to choose from (parliamentary republic, semi presidential republic, and parliamentary presidential republic - plus variations of each). Yes, we can create our Canadian style of republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Russia was a superpower. So was England. You need to find a the common denominator, but a 2 party-system, it certainly is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yes, we can create our Canadian style of republic. For all the work it would take (for little to no gain) we can keep our constitutional monarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 ``Democracy includes the meaning of ignoring minority, do you want to be ignored as you become one of minority?`` No it doesn`t, it means ``rule by the citizenry.`` In Ancient Greek Democracy every citizen was included. I know, democracy means rule by the citizenry. However, you forget the death of Socrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 US presidential system is great. If not, by what they become superpower? By using slave labor to create huge wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yep, disregard for human-rights is certainly a common denominator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 And now we all watch from a distance.... And slaves and women could watch from a distance... I want to create a new party which will encourage every citizen to take part in at her or his level, and everyone has a position in the political system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's also worth noting that...it's kind of how representative democracy is supposed to work. We pick people to represent us and our interests. We don't always get our way, but that's the way things worth. It's also worth noting that we are free to engage when we want. In Canada, who we pick does not represent us and our interests, and even does not represents her or his own conscience. She or he can only be tool of her or his party! Every Canadian needs paying attention to this crucial point! That is our democracy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm gonna take part in the political system tomorrow. After that I will leave it in the hands of politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Maybe you do. I'm going out tomorrow morning about 7:30 to do my bit to select the next Parliament, which will, one way or another, pick the next Government. I personally know the person most likely to be MP, and while I won't vote for him, he's a good man and I'll know he'll speak for my riding. I involve myself in the political process between elections, as well. Do you really know he will speak for your riding? As far as I know, no matter what he will speak in the house of Commons, he will vote only on the need of his party. This is the actuality of our Canadian political system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 We got a government most people didn't want. A government that didn't even bother to try representing most of the people. You can believe that old "you get out of it what you put into it" crap but the reality speaks for itself. We deserve a good government in a good political system. If it is not, we should act to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) In a democracy, as in all other aspects of life, you're not going to get everything you want. If that's your expectation, then there isn't a political system that will ever deliver you that expectation. And frankly, even for the Tories, the management end of things wasn't that bad. It was just that under Harper they became such insufferable arrogant jerks. Their time has come and gone, and hopefully, if the Liberals don't win a majority, we may at least have an electoral system that better reflects the public will. But even with a new system, compromises will happen, and we will all find ourselves feeling abandoned on one issue or another. I know I should compromise with other citizens. However, I should know my compromise to a good being, not to an evil being. Now, our political system lacks this accountability. The unaccountability of government covers and protects evil in its deep. Edited October 19, 2015 by Exegesisme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Well put. I`ve voted 10 times and only one of my votes ever went to a candidate who got elected. Even the candidate gets elected, she or he is only tool of her or his party, she or he is not your real representative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think Elizabeth May is by far our best party-leader and she is incredibly smart. I almost voted Green this time around when my NDP candidate was polling very strong and I thought I'd increase the Green popular vote, but I ended up voting NDP after all when Liberal support increased. Truth is, even if I'd voted Green, I'm more ideologically in line with the NDP and I love what they stand for. Everything from social policy to economic to Clarity Act. There is not much I can think of in their platform with which I disagree. The Greens have some policies that I think are a bit too idealist, at least for a North American audience. 20 years ago, I could have been an ardent Green supporter but I've becomes a bit jaded by humanity as the years wore on. I love what each party brings to the table, I would hate to see them merge. I think things were best when we had Alliance, Reform, Liberals, NDP and Greens. A little something for everyone. Thank you for your opinion. Maybe I should create a new party to provide one more choice for Canadian people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah I prefer diversity of options as well. It represents democracy and the demos the best at least under proportional systems where one ideologically winged party doesn`t get all the vote from one wing. There are heavy faults of proportional system too. The key fault is the very weak relation between representatives and their voters, and the accountability becomes weak too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Russia was a superpower. So was England. You need to find a the common denominator, but a 2 party-system, it certainly is not. Not as great as USA. USA has something our Canada can learn for our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 For all the work it would take (for little to no gain) we can keep our constitutional monarchy. Our constitutional monarchy is a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 By using slave labor to create huge wealth. No. Their huge wealth is from good capitalism, not from the economy of manor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yep, disregard for human-rights is certainly a common denominator. What is the right human-rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesisme Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I'm gonna take part in the political system tomorrow. After that I will leave it in the hands of politicians. What's your exact political duty？ Edited October 19, 2015 by Exegesisme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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