PIK Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Here we go again. There will not next Monday be a return to a Bloc-dominated Quebec but the election could see the party get enough MPs elected to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament. In the event of a narrow Conservative victory, the return of the Bloc to a position of some influence in the House of Commons could change the post-election dynamics. When they talk of bringing down a minority Conservative government at the first opportunity, the Liberals and the New Democrats have in mind a scenario where the sum of the two of them would add up to a majority in the Commons. If they had to factor the Bloc in the calculations involved in swiftly replacing a minority Harper government with the election runner-up, both Trudeau and Mulcair might be forced to go back to the drawing board. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/10/13/bloc-could-hold-balance-of-power-in-a-hung-parliament-hbert.html Time to vote harper, the only way the country will survive and grow. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Nice try. It's unlikely that the combination of LIberal and NDP seats will be under 170. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 It's unlikely that the combination of BQ + ______ seats will be >= 170. Fill in that blank any way you choose. Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 People should be voting Harper regardless. Adding $10 billion dollars per year to the debt for no reason is short sighted and irresponsible. So is raising payroll taxes, ending income splitting and creating a new carbon tax. All of those with depress jobs, wages, and with hit the middle class and most vulnerable the hardest. Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 People should be voting Harper regardless. Adding $10 billion dollars per year to the debt for no reason is short sighted and irresponsible. So is raising payroll taxes, ending income splitting and creating a new carbon tax. All of those with depress jobs, wages, and with hit the middle class and most vulnerable the hardest. Unfortunately people are sick of harper even though his platform makes a lot of sense. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 People should be voting Harper regardless. Adding $10 billion dollars per year to the debt for no reason is short sighted and irresponsible. So is raising payroll taxes, ending income splitting and creating a new carbon tax. All of those with depress jobs, wages, and with hit the middle class and most vulnerable the hardest. How about lowering the middle income bracket and increasing payments to poor seniors, most families with children, and to provinces and municipalities for infrastructure? Those things won't depress anything. Quote
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Unfortunately people are sick of harper even though his platform makes a lot of sense. Even if his fiscal platform makes sense, his social one doesn't. Economics matter most, but only for so long. Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Even if his fiscal platform makes sense, his social one doesn't. Economics matter most, but only for so long. Whats wrong with the social platform? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 How about lowering the middle income bracket and increasing payments to poor seniors, most families with children, and to provinces and municipalities for infrastructure? Those things won't depress anything. Lowering one thing only to raise and add on another like payroll taxes and a new carbon tax hits people everyday, especially any good or service produced using energy. Which is basically everything. As for infrastructure, Ontario has been spending billions for the last few years in it. We should be in the midst of a sugar high from the jobs and economic benefit from it. We aren't. Because it's largely a misleading policy. Not to mention that it's a very small percentage of the economy. Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Whats wrong with the social platform? I was gonna ask the same thing. I don't even know what his social platform is other than mostly status quo. Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 But Justin says we should be borrowing money because it's cheap to borrow right now. So what? If my credit card rate went down to single digits, does that mean I should start buying things with it? Quote
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Lowering one thing only to raise and add on another like payroll taxes and a new carbon tax hits people everyday, Those things are going to happen no matter what. The world has decided that there will be a price on carbon. Any country that isn't seen pulling its weight will be ostracised and will suffer economically as a result. It's also a reality that people aren't saving enough for their future needs. That has to be addressed in some way. It's also worth pointing out that the Liberals have in fact promised to lower EI premiums, not to raise them as has been falsely claimed. As for infrastructure, Ontario has been spending billions for the last few years in it. We should be in the midst of a sugar high from the jobs and economic benefit from it. We aren't. Because it's largely a misleading policy. Not to mention that it's a very small percentage of the economy. Yet it's a policy that the Conservatives have also followed. Quote
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 But Justin says we should be borrowing money because it's cheap to borrow right now. So what? If my credit card rate went down to single digits, does that mean I should start buying things with it? That would depend, I would think, on if your house needed $400B in maintenance that you had been deferring. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 People should be voting Harper regardless. Adding $10 billion dollars per year to the debt for no reason is short sighted and irresponsible. So is raising payroll taxes, ending income splitting and creating a new carbon tax. All of those with depress jobs, wages, and with hit the middle class and most vulnerable the hardest. Infrastructure spending to kick start the economy is not "for no reason". Or if you really believe it is, why would you suggest voting for Harper? Quote
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Whats wrong with the social platform? Their wrong on drugs, and their crime policy, even the parts I agree with, are not standing up to court scrutiny. They are also very wrong on democratic fairness (advertising, spending limits, etc), on the Senate. The bottom line is the Liberal policy leaves me personally far better off. It also does things with government that I'm not opposed to. Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Those things are going to happen no matter what. The world has decided that there will be a price on carbon. Any country that isn't seen pulling its weight will be ostracised and will suffer economically as a result. It's also a reality that people aren't saving enough for their future needs. That has to be addressed in some way. It's also worth pointing out that the Liberals have in fact promised to lower EI premiums, not to raise them as has been falsely claimed. Yet it's a policy that the Conservatives have also followed. Of other countries want to be fools about making energy more expensive they can have at it. At the end of the day the prospect of freezing in the dark is a bigger priority than carbon taxes. The futures market already puts a price on carbon and quite efficiently i might add. The tories addressed the savings issue with reversing their mortgage policies and by introducing the tfsas and doubling it. That being said, if people are too stupid to save their money, thats their problem, not society's. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
dialamah Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 So is raising payroll taxes, What payroll taxes is he raising? Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Those things are going to happen no matter what. The world has decided that there will be a price on carbon. Any country that isn't seen pulling its weight will be ostracised and will suffer economically as a result. It's also a reality that people aren't saving enough for their future needs. That has to be addressed in some way. It's also worth pointing out that the Liberals have in fact promised to lower EI premiums, not to raise them as has been falsely claimed.Yet it's a policy that the Conservatives have also followed. What's America's price on carbon? What's the Middle East's price on carbon? How about South Anerica's? And China's price on carbon? Just because some of the world wants to inhibit their economic growth doesn't mean we have to follow their path to lower prosperity, lower wages, and higher poverty. Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Their wrong on drugs, and their crime policy, even the parts I agree with, are not standing up to court scrutiny.They are also very wrong on democratic fairness (advertising, spending limits, etc), on the Senate.The bottom line is the Liberal policy leaves me personally far better off. It also does things with government that I'm not opposed to. Spending limits isn't social policy. And I have no idea what democratic fairness is. On drugs the majority of Canadians agree with his position. Regardless, sometimes you need to vote for what's better off for the country and not what's better off for you personally. Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Their wrong on drugs, and their crime policy, even the parts I agree with, are not standing up to court scrutiny. They are also very wrong on democratic fairness (advertising, spending limits, etc), on the Senate. The bottom line is the Liberal policy leaves me personally far better off. It also does things with government that I'm not opposed to. The drug policy is where we disagree. The opium war was essentially fought because of a country full of zombies. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. The problem with crime policy is that what is deemed as reasonable is wide open to interpretation. The tory policy essentially leaves me far better off Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 What payroll taxes is he raising? That's like asking what GST somebody wants to raise. Quote
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 By the way, has Justin's refugee plan been priced out yet? And what about the increased cost in financing $30 billion dollars more in debt? Especially if interest rates go up in a few years. Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 By the way, has Justin's refugee plan been priced out yet? And what about the increased cost in financing $30 billion dollars more in debt? Especially if interest rates go up in a few years. Justin had better hope the chinese economy fires back up and demand increases for our exports otherwise interest rates will have to go up Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Spending limits isn't social policy. That's why it was a new paragraph. And I have no idea what democratic fairness is. That was about advertising, spending limits, etc. On drugs the majority of Canadians agree with his position. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/majority-of-canadians-support-legalizing-or-decriminalizing-marijuana-new-poll-suggests You must be talking about a different Canada. Regardless, sometimes you need to vote for what's better off for the country and not what's better off for you personally. And I believe that at this point in time, the Liberals happen to have both in their camp. Last time, I thought the Conservatives did (and the time before that). It's time for a change. Quote
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