Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Why do taxes need to go up? Because the demand for more stuff increases, and politicians are whores who need to make promises come election time. And for a sizable percentage of the public, the cost does not matter since it's not on their shoulders. The top earning 50% pay 96% of taxes. The bottom earning 50% of Canadians pay just 4% of taxes. Now tell me, who do you think that bottom 50% are going to vote for? The party which says we need to tighten our belt and cut back, or the party who says "Party! Party! Party!" ? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Except you didnt get a multi million dollar payout. You ran your business into the ground, and now youre stuck working for wages and lying on the internet about being rich Because the demand for more stuff increases, and politicians are whores who need to make promises come election time. And for a sizable percentage of the public, the cost does not matter since it's not on their shoulders. The top earning 50% pay 96% of taxes. The bottom earning 50% of Canadians pay just 4% of taxes. Now tell me, who do you think that bottom 50% are going to vote for? The party which says we need to tighten our belt and cut back, or the party who says "Party! Party! Party!" ? Precisely. Edited October 9, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Lets see how many doctors stay in ONT since wynne is cutting their salaries so she can pay the teachers more money. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Since I'm one of the majority who believes that global warming is a reality and is a serious threat to our survival (certainly more serious than Muslims), I'm in favor of a carbon tax. You realize that carbon tax is not just falling on rich businesses, right? You're the one who is ultimately going to pay for it in the form of higher gas prices, higher home heating costs, higher electricity, and a higher price for goods and services. But you're willing to sacrifice! I understand. But what do you think your sacrifice is going to do for the planet? Canada's emissions are only a tiny percentage of the world, and India alone plans on increasing its emissions by the equivalent of ALL of Canada's present emissions EVERY YEAR for the next twenty years. That's just India, mind you. So again, what is your sacrifice, and my sacrifice, and those billions and billions and billions of dollars going to bring in the way of good things? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Except you didnt get a multi million dollar payout. You ran your business into the ground, and now youre stuck working for wages and lying on the internet about being rich You actually don't know anything about his life. Has that occurred to you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Since I'm one of the majority who believes that global warming is a reality and is a serious threat to our survival (certainly more serious than Muslims), I'm in favor of a carbon tax. I live in a fairly small home, I drive a small car and I use transit a lot. A rich(er) person, on the other hand, is more likely to live in a larger home, have higher utility bills and if a couple, two vehicles and overall a larger carbon footprint than I do. To my mind, that suggests they'll be harder hit by a carbon tax than I would be. Rich people can afford to use more resources. I'm pretty sure all these champagne socialists have a far larger carbon footprint than I do. But they also can afford more fuel efficient vehicles and utilities. So a Carbon tax hurt people who need their cars to get to work but don't benefit nearly enough from the "revenue neutral" scheme where they they want to lower people's income taxes. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Rich people can afford to use more resources. I'm pretty sure all these champagne socialists have a far larger carbon footprint than I do. But they also can afford more fuel efficient vehicles and utilities. So a Carbon tax hurt people who need their cars to get to work but don't benefit nearly enough from the "revenue neutral" scheme where they they want to lower people's income taxes. The point of a carbon tax is to price carbon for its actual environmental and climate effects. There will be winners and losers in the short to medium term, but in the long term, getting away from fossil fuels is a good thing on so many levels... Unless you're an investor in an oil, gas or coal firm. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Rich people can afford to use more resources. I'm pretty sure all these champagne socialists have a far larger carbon footprint than I do. But they also can afford more fuel efficient vehicles and utilities. So a Carbon tax hurt people who need their cars to get to work but don't benefit nearly enough from the "revenue neutral" scheme where they they want to lower people's income taxes. In point of fact, a carbon tax is not going to damage me much. I don't even pay any attention to what it costs to fuel my car, and I have no problems paying my bills. But my friends are not so fortunate, especially those who live further out from the city, where electricity prices are so much higher thanks to the idiot Liberals in Toronto. It is the middle and lower middle class who are going to suffer. The middle class will find that all Trudeau's goodies will likely be offset by a new tax, except, and this is why the Left loves carbon taxes, it will often be invisible. You won't necessarily know that when goods and services are slowly increased in price that's because of the tax those businesses have to pay. Edited October 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The point of a carbon tax is to price carbon for its actual environmental and climate effects. There will be winners and losers in the short to medium term, but in the long term, getting away from fossil fuels is a good thing on so many levels... Unless you're an investor in an oil, gas or coal firm. There will be no winners among taxpayers and people who have to pay the higher costs for goods and services. Businesses will be passing those along, except, of course, for those manufacturers who are in low cost jurisdictions where there is no climate tax. They will be able to sell goods cheaper here than locals can now produce them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 There will be no winners among taxpayers and people who have to pay the higher costs for goods and services. Businesses will be passing those along, except, of course, for those manufacturers who are in low cost jurisdictions where there is no climate tax. They will be able to sell goods cheaper here than locals can now produce them. The winners will be the human race. Dependence on a non-renewable, polluting and climate altering fuel source is bad. Just plain bad. And the carbon tax is coming, no matter what. The Tories should probably be happy it won't likely be them that's forced to do it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 You realize that carbon tax is not just falling on rich businesses, right? You're the one who is ultimately going to pay for it in the form of higher gas prices, higher home heating costs, higher electricity, and a higher price for goods and services. But you're willing to sacrifice! I understand. But what do you think your sacrifice is going to do for the planet? Canada's emissions are only a tiny percentage of the world, and India alone plans on increasing its emissions by the equivalent of ALL of Canada's present emissions EVERY YEAR for the next twenty years. That's just India, mind you. So again, what is your sacrifice, and my sacrifice, and those billions and billions and billions of dollars going to bring in the way of good things? Have you bothered to check the slight difference between the populations of India and Canada? It could possibly give you some insight into the difference in CO2 emissions. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The winners will be the human race. Oh please. Like anything Canada does is going to have ANY influence on the world's climate. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 You realize that carbon tax is not just falling on rich businesses, right? You're the one who is ultimately going to pay for it in the form of higher gas prices, higher home heating costs, higher electricity, and a higher price for goods and services. That is happening regardless of carbon tax, or any tax. Even though the barrel price of oil has fallen by 50% and half of Alberta is apparently out of work or soon to be, has the cost of the gas I buy dropped by 50%? Nope, it's dropped by 8% or 10% depending on the day of the week. That has nothing to do with tax, and everything to do with oil companies that are focused on their bottom line. If Hydro goes up, they don't point to taxes - they tell me its for capital investment or some such. If there's a drought in California or too much rain in Florida, cost of produce goes up - not because of taxes, but because of supply and demand. There's a lot more than taxes that affect what I pay for goods and services. But you're willing to sacrifice! I understand. But what do you think your sacrifice is going to do for the planet? Canada's emissions are only a tiny percentage of the world, and India alone plans on increasing its emissions by the equivalent of ALL of Canada's present emissions EVERY YEAR for the next twenty years. That's just India, mind you. So again, what is your sacrifice, and my sacrifice, and those billions and billions and billions of dollars going to bring in the way of good things? I am ok doing my part, small as it might be. You aren't. I get it. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Have you bothered to check the slight difference between the populations of India and Canada? It could possibly give you some insight into the difference in CO2 emissions. What difference does it make? We're talking the earth as a whole. If India is going to be increasing their emissions by the same as our ENTIRE emissions every year than what possible influence can Canada cutting back make on anything? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Oh please. Like anything Canada does is going to have ANY influence on the world's climate. Every bit helps. It's not a zero sum game. And most certainly the US and Europe are moving in that direction, and even China. Fossil fuels simply are not sustainable on many levels. Get over it. The carbon tax is coming. Quote
dre Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Now tell me, who do you think that bottom 50% are going to vote for? The party which says we need to tighten our belt and cut back, or the party who says "Party! Party! Party!" ? Well that fits the imaginary scenario in your brain quite nicely yeah... But in reality its not that simple. Lower income families from rural areas are actually a lot more likely to vote conservative. These are the folks that cling to their bibles and guns Family values (social conservatives) voters in any income bracket are also more likely to vote conservative. Polling in various western countries has shown that college educated people tend to vote to the left of center and their incomes are way above the median. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I am ok doing my part, small as it might be. You aren't. I get it. I am a results oriented individual. You are clearly the process oriented type. Show me the results of actions, and if the results are worthwhile then I'll support the actions. If the actions are extremely expensive and the results are so slight as to be undetectable on a world scale, then no, I'm not going to support the expensive actions. Find something that will work and I'll look again. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I am a results oriented individual. You are clearly the process oriented type. Show me the results of actions, and if the results are worthwhile then I'll support the actions. If the actions are extremely expensive and the results are so slight as to be undetectable on a world scale, then no, I'm not going to support the expensive actions. Find something that will work and I'll look again. We won't get results by refusing to do our part, and blaming the developing world. The carbon tax is coming. Get used to it. Quote
dre Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 You actually don't know anything about his life. Has that occurred to you? Yeah I wonder if that has occurred to you during your many attempts to label others as "non tax paying", and your retarded and often trotted out "i pay more in taxes than you will ever make!" refrain. Everybodies rich and successful on the internet! LOL. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 You actually don't know anything about his life. Has that occurred to you? Well, we know he lied about having JT as a teacher so anything thereafter becomes questionable. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Moonlight Graham Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 A potential tax increase in the future. I come dangerously close to the $200k mark but I don't cross it so I don't get taxed more under the moronic Liberal tax increase. How else am I screwed? At this point if people vote liberal (and they win a minority government), I'd like to know how I'm affected. .... I'm not willing to support lazy left whining idiots. You don't deserve my tax $. If you make close to 200k, had a multi-million business payout as claimed, and will never have kids as claimed, you'll continue living the good life no matter who wins on Oct 19 so you'll be far from "screwed". Meanwhile, many first-nations go without clean drinking water and the women get raped, murdered, and missing. Due to laziness right? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 What difference does it make? We're talking the earth as a whole. If India is going to be increasing their emissions by the same as our ENTIRE emissions every year than what possible influence can Canada cutting back make on anything? India has a plan to reduce their CO2 emissions by 33-35% of 2005 level by 2030. China has announced a cap and trade. We all need to do our part. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Well, we know he lied about having JT as a teacher so anything thereafter becomes questionable. I always question anyone who comes on the Internet anonymously and tries to claim they're rich as a means of trying to show how they're better than anyone else. It's sort of a fallacious appeal to authority, though even that fallacy usually requires that the alleged authority's identity is known. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 But in reality its not that simple. Lower income families from rural areas are actually a lot more likely to vote conservative. Uh huh. Which is why there's soooo much support for the Conservatives in Atlantic Canada and rural Ontario and Quebec, eh? If you check a map of what seats are with what parties you'll find the NDP mostly owns rural Ontario and Quebec, while the Liberals own Atlantic Canada. Polling in various western countries has shown that college educated people tend to vote to the left of center and their incomes are way above the median. Depends on the type of college educated people, depends on whether they're social science grads or business and technology grads. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 We won't get results by refusing to do our part, and blaming the developing world. The carbon tax is coming. Get used to it. So you position is that even though this is pointless and will accomplish nothing we should simply accept it? Not in my DNA to do that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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