BubberMiley Posted September 21, 2015 Report Posted September 21, 2015 The object looks way more like a bomb than it does a clock, especially to a female teacher -obviously. She obviously didn't act like it might be a bomb so I guess it's not so obvious. The obvious thing to do with a bomb is to get the kids out of the school, not send it and the kid to the principal's office. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Rue Posted September 21, 2015 Report Posted September 21, 2015 The kid being Muslim is not the issue. The kid's true motives are not the issue. The kid's religion/ethnicity is not the issue. None of the above is the issue although some of you have made it the issue. The issue is security. The issue is specifically the security of children. In any security issue, particularly with children one errs on the side of caution. Period. Those of you using the Muslim card and turning it into a Muslim issue are full of it. Its a security issue. Anything that looks like a bomb must be treated as one, period. If you can't understand that then move to friggin Israel and watch what happens when you have to live with bombs every friggin day of your life and you don't have the luxury as some of you clearly do to assume security is not an exercise in extreme caution at all times. The President of the US was an irresponsible idiot. To call that clock cool is an insult to the millions of people who have been killed by bombs in public places. Its an absolute insult to the school principal, the police, the parents of children in that school and community, its Mayor, citizens ordinary citizens of all colours and faiths who expect and should expect safety be treated as seriously as is possible. This is not an issue of the child being Muslim. If that child was white and brought the same clock it would have been treated the same way. What is the friggin matter with some of you? How many more children must die in schools, how many innocent people must die from bombs before some of you sheltered, spoiled, twits wake up. The kid was never the issue. The reality of the world we live in, was and remains so. Quote
Peter F Posted September 21, 2015 Report Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) It wasn't a security issue, Rue. Absolutely no steps were taken to secure anyone from the possible bomb. None. Not a single thing. They knew it wasn't a bomb which is why the supposed adults did absolutely nothing to secure anyones safety. There was no need because it obviously was not a bomb - not even a maybe bomb. As the cops admitted later on it wasn't even a hoax bomb. So being none of the above - what are we left with to explain the actions of the adults that day? Edited September 21, 2015 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Wilber Posted September 21, 2015 Report Posted September 21, 2015 How was this treated like a bomb? If a suspected bomb is found in an Israeli school, do they take it to the principals office and leave the students and teachers in their classrooms while waiting for the cops to come? Where's the bomb sir? Oh, we just stuck it on that table over there. Jeez Louise! That's their bomb procedure? I'm shocked Rue that you of all people would think this was an appropriate response. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Posted September 21, 2015 The kid being Muslim is not the issue. The kid's true motives are not the issue. The kid's religion/ethnicity is not the issue. None of the above is the issue although some of you have made it the issue. The issue is security. The issue is specifically the security of children. In any security issue, particularly with children one errs on the side of caution. Period. Those of you using the Muslim card and turning it into a Muslim issue are full of it. Its a security issue. Anything that looks like a bomb must be treated as one, period. If you can't understand that then move to friggin Israel and watch what happens when you have to live with bombs every friggin day of your life and you don't have the luxury as some of you clearly do to assume security is not an exercise in extreme caution at all times. The President of the US was an irresponsible idiot. To call that clock cool is an insult to the millions of people who have been killed by bombs in public places. Its an absolute insult to the school principal, the police, the parents of children in that school and community, its Mayor, citizens ordinary citizens of all colours and faiths who expect and should expect safety be treated as seriously as is possible. This is not an issue of the child being Muslim. If that child was white and brought the same clock it would have been treated the same way. What is the friggin matter with some of you? How many more children must die in schools, how many innocent people must die from bombs before some of you sheltered, spoiled, twits wake up. The kid was never the issue. The reality of the world we live in, was and remains so. I think Obama is an agitator at best - at worst, he's starting to become a full on race baiter. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 Wow, check your pulse dude, you're way too wound up. The object looks way more like a bomb than it does a clock, especially to a female teacher -obviously. And, if a kid brought a lighter that looked like a gun (and those do exist), you bet a teacher would investigate the object. Especially to a female teacher, because women are idiots, right? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 The issue is security. The issue is specifically the security of children. If the issue was the security of the children in that school, then they failed miserably, as has been outlined numerous times in this thread. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) I think Obama is an agitator at best - at worst, he's starting to become a full on race baiter. So you disagree with the others in this thread who said it was reasonable to assume it was a bomb because the kid was an African Muslim? Edited September 22, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
eyeball Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Sorry, just found picture of it, and yes it looks like it could be a bomb - it's even in a box. I have to wonder if this isn't some kid trying to agitate a situation for reaction. Sure worked didn't it? Of course a couple of firecrackers is all you'd need to curl most conservatives into the foetal position these days. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Especially to a female teacher, because women are idiots, right? I'm trying to see this woman's point of view - that's all! I don't know (nor do any of us) the context in which he presented the clock or what he actually said to the teacher. Or, how she actually acted when seeing the radio. Did she panic? Apparently not. Did she have it checked out? Sure she did. You're the one calling her hysterical. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I'm trying to see this woman's point of view - that's all! I don't know (nor do any of us) the context in which he presented the clock or what he actually said to the teacher. Or, how she actually acted when seeing the radio. Did she panic? Apparently not. Did she have it checked out? Sure she did. You're the one calling her hysterical. With one breath you say you don't know the context, with the next you attempt to outline the context. It's already been well documented. She reacted totally inappropriately. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 With one breath you say you don't know the context, with the next you attempt to outline the context. It's already been well documented. She reacted totally inappropriately.People make mistakes. We'll most people do. The left of this board are without error apparently but the rest if us are human.I think the solution is more training for the teachers. What do you see as the solution? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 People make mistakes. We'll most people do. The left of this board are without error apparently but the rest if us are human. I think the solution is more training for the teachers. What do you see as the solution? What does left or right have to do with the fact the teacher screwed up? If it's training they need then, then in this case, it would center on how to dispel racism. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 What does left or right have to do with the fact the teacher screwed up? If it's training they need then, then in this case, it would center on how to dispel racism. Muslims are not a race. Plus no evidence of racism or anti religious bias here. Please stop spreading the false rumor. It's simply false. The left is creating stories to fit the narrative that white people are racists. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Muslims are not a race. Plus no evidence of racism or anti religious bias here. Please stop spreading the false rumor. It's simply false. The left is creating stories to fit the narrative that white people are racists. Your generalized statements are the only thing false here. As has been suggested many times already here, had Ahmed been named Billy bob, and been white, the outcome would in all likelihood been much different. Quote
Wilber Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 People make mistakes. We'll most people do. The left of this board are without error apparently but the rest if us are human. I think the solution is more training for the teachers. What do you see as the solution? i agree, there needs to be specific procedures regarding bomb threats and suspicious objects. There is no excuse not to have them in today's world. Staff need to be trained in those procedures and required to follow them, or else. None of this make it up as you go along according to your own vision of the world. Follow the procedures or find another job. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Muslims are not a race. Plus no evidence of racism or anti religious bias here. Please stop spreading the false rumor. It's simply false. The left is creating stories to fit the narrative that white people are racists. Christians are not a race, neither are catholics or jews. Quote
Bonam Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Christians are not a race, neither are catholics or jews. Muslims, Christians and Catholics are not races. When it comes to Jews, the matter is more complex (though no one here gives a damn even though I've explained it like 100 times). Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Christians are not a race, neither are catholics or jews.Some Jews are a race. Being Jewish isn't solely a religion. It is also a people.Converts are not racial Ethnic Jews. Some in Israel would say converts are not real Jews. We must acknowledge that more training of the staff is needed. Edited September 22, 2015 by Canada_First Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Muslims, Christians and Catholics are not races. When it comes to Jews, the matter is more complex (though no one here gives a damn even though I've explained it like 100 times). Yes. You're correct sir. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Muslims are not a race. Plus no evidence of racism or anti religious bias here. Please stop spreading the false rumor. It's simply false. The left is creating stories to fit the narrative that white people are racists. LMAOOO You were super on board with the reaction based on the fact that the kid was Muslim. So you'd be happier if you were reading about A Muslim kid with a real bomb in school? We are at war with Islam. We should be halting all muslim immigration and interning all Muslims into camps until it's over. Not welcoming our enemies to live amongst us. Insanity. I will guess that everyone siding with this Muslim doesn't have children of school age. Or hasn't for a very long time. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 LMAOOO You were super on board with the reaction based on the fact that the kid was Muslim.We must be able to look past the idea that all Muslims are out to get us. This child is innocent and shouldn't have been arrested. I think it's shameful people would try to make his religion an issue. Quote
Big Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 ... I think it's shameful people would try to make his religion an issue. I think it is a shame that the parents of the young man allowed this to escalate and become an international issue. This is not going to end well for a young man fighting his way through adolescence. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/muslim-boy-arrested-clock-withdraws-school-150922082128740.html Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Wilber Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I think it is a shame that the parents of the young man allowed this to escalate and become an international issue. This is not going to end well for a young man fighting his way through adolescence. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/muslim-boy-arrested-clock-withdraws-school-150922082128740.html That's it, blame the victim. The kid doesn't want to go back to that school. Who can blame him. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Big Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 That's it, blame the victim. The kid doesn't want to go back to that school. Who can blame him. I have been watching TV coverage. The father is quite prominent and has no qualms of allowing his son to be interviewed. I believe that is a mistake. I do not think a 14 year old should be publicly involved in a controversy of religious connotation. The parents job is to protect their children. I do not think the father has done so. I do not blame the 14 year old for anything - I blame the parents for handling this situation the way that they did - along with those in the school system who also could have handled the situation differently. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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