jbg Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) The U.N. is supposed to, among other things, preserve world treasures. That includes cultural and architectural relics, and experts in those. The world itself should be concerned about the destruction of the irreplaceable. Apparently the world is too busy dissecting every move of a small country little bigger than PEI. Remember it's a UNESCO World Heritage Site so the U.N. should be in here with both hands. The article below illustrates a true atrocity, but the executioners get a free pass. IS beheads elderly ex-antiquities chief in Syria's Palmyra DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — The 81-year-old antiquities scholar had dedicated his life to exploring and overseeing Syria's ancient ruins of Palmyra, one of the Middle East's most spectacular archaeological sites. He even named his daughter after Zenobia, the queen that ruled from the city 1,700 years ago. That dedication may have cost him his life. On Wednesday, relatives and witnesses said Khaled al-Asaad was beheaded by Islamic State militants, his bloodied body hung on a pole in a main square. Edited August 23, 2015 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) The world itself should be concerned about the destruction of the irreplaceable. Apparently the world is too busy dissecting every move of a small country little bigger than PEI....The article below illustrates a true atrocity, but the executioners get a free pass. What about this?: http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc11804.doc.htm "Security Council Press Statement on ISIL’s Destruction of Religious and Cultural Artefacts in Mosul The members of the Security Council reiterated their condemnation of the destruction of cultural heritage in Iraq and Syria, particularly by ISIL, including targeted destruction of religious sites and objects, and noted with concern that ISIL and other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with Al-Qaida are generating income from engaging directly or indirectly in the looting and smuggling of cultural heritage items from archaeological sites, museums, libraries, archives, and other sites in Iraq and Syria, which is being used to support their recruitment efforts and strengthen their operational capability to organize and carry out terrorist attacks." The destruction of historic sites and objects is terrible, but in the end they're just "stuff", and certainly aren't near as important as human lives are. If the UNSC is going to get military involved against ISIS, it certainly shouldn't be to protect heritage sites/artifacts. Edited August 20, 2015 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Rue Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 Well Moonlight respond to Big Guy and tell him what you said because he's on another thread making unsubstantiated allegations condemning Israel for desecrating religious sites, Tell him its just "stuff" because his moral outrage seems selective. Quote
Argus Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 Well Moonlight respond to Big Guy and tell him what you said because he's on another thread making unsubstantiated allegations condemning Israel for desecrating religious sites, Tell him its just "stuff" because his moral outrage seems selective. It IS selective. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 To blow up an ancient site is morally outrageous. To desecrate a religious site is morally outrageous. To cut the head off an 81 year old man and hang his body on a pole in Palmyra is barbaric. Those barbarians should be charged and convicted of war crimes. To incinerate a baby in a crib in an apartment in Gaza is barbaric. Those barbarians should be charged and convicted of war crimes. There are many things that Big Guy finds outrageous and barbaric - so why is that important to those who disagree with Big Guy? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Because that very selectivity as to who you get morally outraged about shows you lack credibility in how you apply your standards. Your pro Iran, pro Hamas, anti Israel bias speaks for itself as does your inciting people to break blockades in one breath while lecturing Canada not to send people overseas to involve themselves in other peoples' politics with the other breath. Your contradictions are being challenged and exposed. That is what is done on a debate board. Edited August 20, 2015 by Rue Quote
marcus Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 Because that very selectivity as to who you get morally outraged about shows you lack credibility in how you apply your standards. I have never heard anyone say Israel is worse than ISIL. No one on this forum is backing ISIL. Our government is not backing ISIL Unfortunately, our government and some here back Israel's criminal government. This is the only reason why there aren't more threads about the ugliness of ISIL on this forum. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Rue Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Marcus I was addressing directly Big Guy's question. It concerned him asking why he was being debated on this board. Your response is nonsensical. You do not speak for others on this forum. Don't presume you do unless this is a Freudian slip because in fact you use different names but are all the same person. Secondly you really do need to think before you snap off a response. What a ridiculous assertion-you refuse to debate in a balanced manner because others won't come on this forum and piss on Israel. What nonsense. Tell me do you do have a test that determines just how much people on this forum need to piss on Israel, before you will admit ISIL, Hamas, Al Quaeda, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc., are all terrorist criminals dedicated to Israel's destruction? Right. You are bias because you think others are. Brilliant logic. Edited August 21, 2015 by Rue Quote
Big Guy Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 Marcus I was addressing directly Big Guy's question. It concerned him asking why he was being debated on this board. ... I was hoping that by now you would have realized that I have no interest in your opinion or in debating you. I will repeat - I am not interested in your opinion nor in debating you. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 Well Moonlight respond to Big Guy and tell him what you said because he's on another thread making unsubstantiated allegations condemning Israel for desecrating religious sites, Tell him its just "stuff" because his moral outrage seems selective. Is the recent beheading of Palmyra's curator the destruction of "just stuff"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 To incinerate a baby in a crib in an apartment in Gaza is barbaric. Those barbarians should be charged and convicted of war crimes. This action does not represent Israeli policy. The beheading of the Palmyra curator does. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) This action does not represent Israeli policy. The beheading of the Palmyra curator does. The beheading of the Palmyra is a barbaric and targeted result of ISIS policy. To assume that incinerating infants in their cribs is not an expected result of dropping bombs on occupied apartment buildings is ludicrous. Incinerating babies in cribs in an apartment building is barbaric and the result of Israeli policy. Dead is dead. Edited August 23, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Unfortunately, our government and some here back Israel's criminal government. And some here also support Canada, USA, and many other "criminal governments". So why single out Israel ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 About one third of University students in Israel come from Christian schools. About 33,000 students are enrolled in Christian schools. Those 33,000 students and their teachers are out on strike because the government has slashed funding of Christian schools. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/christian-schools-israel-strike-150905075128238.html Religious tolerance in Israel? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 This is the only reason why there aren't more threads about the ugliness of ISIL on this forum.Let's start a thread about ISIL, so we can all agree in the first page then drift off topic shortly thereafter. Quote
Rue Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Cyber "we" don't do that unless it allows a thread drift to piss on Israel or for that matter the US. Do get with it. I think that was the point of the thread. Quote
kactus Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Cyber "we" don't do that unless it allows a thread drift to piss on Israel or for that matter the US. Do get with it. I think that was the point of the thread. Let's leave US out of this as you desperately try to attach Israel to its tail. It's pathetic to think why on earth should US worry about a tiny country like yours that has no benefit to but US always has to pick pieces to please that tiny little country. Quote
Argus Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 About one third of University students in Israel come from Christian schools. About 33,000 students are enrolled in Christian schools. Those 33,000 students and their teachers are out on strike because the government has slashed funding of Christian schools. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/christian-schools-israel-strike-150905075128238.html Religious tolerance in Israel? How many Christian schools are funded by the Palestinians? How about by the Saudis? The Iranians? The Kuwaitis? The Iraqis? Do you know you would be arrested if you were seen wearing a cross in Saudi Arabia? Do you know you would be attacked and likely killed if you wore one in Somalia? How many Christian churches have been burned down in Israel vs those in Syria, Iraq or Egypt? Why does religious intolerance throughout the world not bother you except when it comes to Israel? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 How many Christian schools are funded by the Palestinians? How about by the Saudis? You are excusing Israel's behaviour by really lowering the bar. So now Israel should be compared to Saudi Arabia? Nice one. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 The deliberate destruction of any historical sight is deplorable. The historical value aside from any religious context is a sad loss for humanity on the whole. You have some of the best architecture around going into these structures. What it seems is that someone wants to erase some valuable history. For what purpose? Quote
Argus Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) You are excusing Israel's behaviour by really lowering the bar. So now Israel should be compared to Saudi Arabia? Nice one. You guys want to make a big deal about the alleged religious intollerence in Israel but you don't give a damn about the far greater intollerance from the people you support. Nice. Why do you only care about allegations of human rights violations against Jews? Edited September 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 You guys want to make a big deal about the alleged religious intollerence in Israel but you don't give a damn about the far greater intollerance from the people you support. You are not very good at paying attention. In the very post you quoted, I mentioned Saudi Arabia in a way to say how low they are in the morality and human rights list. Who is supporting who? Are you, again, lumping everyone around Israel as the exact same? Kind of like how those Iranians are A-rabs? You need to make an effort in researching and understanding the things you talk about on MLW. You recently did the same thing in loudly declaring your opinions on immigration in Canada. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 The pressure of more and more Jewish settlements in Jerusalem is taking its toll. Violence increasing as the Palestinians and their worship centres gets squeezed and ignored. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/analysis-netanyahu-disturb-status-quo-151006104748831.html Look for more outbreaks of violence and retaliation on the West Bank while the West and the rest of the world is focussed on Iran, Iraq and Syria. And so it goes on and on and ... Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Kactus I now have a chance to reply. My country is not Israel. It is Canada. But hey I get it, you seen one Jew you've seen them all right? Listen Kactus, considering you are not American or Canadian I find it interesting you try suggest I am Israeli. Since you raised the issue do you now disclose you are Iranian? Hmmmm? Once we are at it, there is an election coming up in the US, and if you think the American voters will elect Clinton and continue with the alliance with Iran and continue to recognize Hamas and Hezbollah as legitimate peace partners as Obama does get this clear-Obama is an open and unapologetic supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and t its organizations Hamas, Al Quaeda and Al Nusra. He openly supports Hezbollah and Iran. He openly supports the Sudan regime who his half brother raises money for via the Muslim Brotherhood. His half brother is the principle financier of the Sudan regime wiping out Christians to this day. This Obama is silent on Boca Raton attacks on Christians in Chad, Dahomey, Niger, Nigeria. He is silent on terrorist attacks in Kenya, Rwanda, Malawi all tied in with Iran. Obama, Erdogan and the deposed Morsi all Muslim Brotherhood failed in creating a mercenary force to take Libya and Syria. It turned rogue on them. Obama is not the US. He took the Presidential office to engage in a course of pro Muslim extremist policies that have blown up in his face and Americans will reject what he did soon enough. Now you not understanding how democracy works I can appreciate think that Obama is a Mullah and what he says is not separated from the state-its divinely connected and one and the same. Sorry. Its the US. Its leader has no divine monopoly like that. You confuse Obama with you Ayatollah. Here's a hint, Bam Bam's beard is his wife Michelle. No you won' find that in your translator. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Kactus I now have a chance to reply. My country is not Israel. It is Canada. But hey I get it, you seen one Jew you've seen them all right? Listen Kactus, considering you are not American or Canadian I find it interesting you try suggest I am Israeli. Since you raised the issue do you now disclose you are Iranian? Hmmmm? Once we are at it, there is an election coming up in the US, and if you think the American voters will elect Clinton and continue with the alliance with Iran and continue to recognize Hamas and Hezbollah as legitimate peace partners as Obama does get this clear-Obama is an open and unapologetic supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and t its organizations Hamas, Al Quaeda and Al Nusra. He openly supports Hezbollah and Iran. He openly supports the Sudan regime who his half brother raises money for via the Muslim Brotherhood. His half brother is the principle financier of the Sudan regime wiping out Christians to this day. This Obama is silent on Boca Raton attacks on Christians in Chad, Dahomey, Niger, Nigeria. He is silent on terrorist attacks in Kenya, Rwanda, Malawi all tied in with Iran. Obama, Erdogan and the deposed Morsi all Muslim Brotherhood failed in creating a mercenary force to take Libya and Syria. It turned rogue on them. Obama is not the US. He took the Presidential office to engage in a course of pro Muslim extremist policies that have blown up in his face and Americans will reject what he did soon enough. Now you not understanding how democracy works I can appreciate think that Obama is a Mullah and what he says is not separated from the state-its divinely connected and one and the same. Sorry. Its the US. Its leader has no divine monopoly like that. You confuse Obama with you Ayatollah. Here's a hint, Bam Bam's beard is his wife Michelle. No you won' find that in your translator. **** Tinfoil hat alert **** You need to back up your comments otherwise you'll continue to be seen as a conspiracy theorist. Don't forget to show us how Obama was born in Kenya. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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