Why I Won't Vote NDP

[socialist]

Why I wont vote NDP:

Cancel government’s income-splitting policy for families; says it helps only wealthiest 15 per cent.: no it does not, it benefits many i know, thus an income increase

– Reverse changes to TFSA contribution limits; says higher amount helps the wealthy and does little for middle-class Canadians... no it does not, I added more as well

– Increase income-tax rates on Canada’s largest corporations to about
the levels that existed before the Conservatives took office.,, more corp taxes means less investment and jobs

– Create $15-a-day national child care program, and create or maintain one million affordable child care spaces across Canada. no idea how to pay for it thus a tax increase coming

– Cancel Conservative decision to increase OAS eligibility age to 67.,, thus no sense of reality on how to make the system fiscally sustainable since many have noted its not unless you either raise rates or work a bit longer

– Increase Canada Pension Plan contributions and benefits for Canadians. thus raising taxes yet again.

This is just the top if the iceberg.

[PIK]

-They will gut the military.

Edited August 14, 2015 by PIK

[Evening Star]

Kevin Page has argued, fairly convincingly, that there has been no real increase in military spending under Harper: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-gets-poor-grade-for-military-spending-1.3030862

I see no reason to believe that the NDP will gut the military any worse than this.

Cancel government’s income-splitting policy for families; says it helps only wealthiest 15 per cent.: no it does not, it benefits many i know, thus an income increase

– Reverse changes to TFSA contribution limits; says higher amount helps the wealthy and does little for middle-class Canadians... no it does not, I added more as well

– Increase income-tax rates on Canada’s largest corporations to about
the levels that existed before the Conservatives took office.,, more corp taxes means less investment and jobs

– Create $15-a-day national child care program, and create or maintain one million affordable child care spaces across Canada. no idea how to pay for it thus a tax increase coming

– Cancel Conservative decision to increase OAS eligibility age to 67.,, thus no sense of reality on how to make the system fiscally sustainable since many have noted its not unless you either raise rates or work a bit longer

– Increase Canada Pension Plan contributions and benefits for Canadians. thus raising taxes yet again.

I tend to support the first two and the last of these. (I would prefer to scrap TFSAs altogether but that's probably politically unviable right now.) I disagree with the NDP about the OAS eligibility age and am sceptical that a federal day-care programme is a good idea right now. I'm undecided about corporate taxes but I'm not sure that the slight increase they're talking about would be that damaging.

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Edited August 14, 2015 by Evening Star

[WIP]

So, you're a socialist in name only! We can use a new acronym: SIN or SINO, to go with the RINO's and DINO's and is it possible to have such a thing as a LINO? Not sure, since during my life time, Liberals have stood for every issue....as long as it was popular.

[Evening Star]

I think he gives a green light to neoliberalism now?

[CITIZEN_2015]

And the reason I would vote NDP is because all past conservative and liberal governments have been in power and self serving (though this conservative party wins the Gold in all these) but NDP has never formed a government at Federal level and now for the first time ever they have a chance to do so. So lets give them a chance and hopefully they won't be as bad as the governments we have had over the past many decades. Crossing my fingers.

Edited August 22, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[socialist]

And the reason I would vote NDP is because all past conservative and liberal governments have been in power and almost all corrupt and self serving (though this Harper regime wins the Gold in all these) but NDP has never formed a government at Federal level and now for the first time ever they have a chance to do so (because Harper did so miserable and to the right that people have decided to go to other extreme) so lets give them a chance and hopefully they won't be as bad as the governments we have had over the past many decades. Crossing my fingers.

I k ow the recent NDP governments in Nova Scotia and Manitoba have been disastrous. And who can forget the Bob Rae experiment in Ontariowe.

[socialist]

So, you're a socialist in name only! We can use a new acronym: SIN or SINO, to go with the RINO's and DINO's and is it possible to have such a thing as a LINO? Not sure, since during my life time, Liberals have stood for every issue....as long as it was popular.

I don't consider myself a socialist anymore. After much deliberation and self-reflection I see socialism as

a system that rewards the lazy and unambitious. I know many people who have converted. Some of you are stuck in the lie of believing everything you hear from sources such as the CBC. That used to be also, so don't fel bad. You simply need to reevaluate the situation.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Please re-read my post. I said no NDP government at Federal level has ever been elected. In the 90's that you had a disaster Bob Rae we had a good NDP government in Manitoba in the 80's. That said, I don't think any provincial government is an indicative of how the party would do at Federal level.

Edited August 14, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[socialist]

Please re-read my post. I said no NDP government at Federal level has ever been elected. In the 90's that you had a disaster Bob Rae we had a good NDP government in Manitoba in the 80's. That said, I don't think any provincial government is an indicative of how the party would do at Federal level.

It blows my mind that the NDP and Libs think only rich people have savings. Clearly Tom Mulcair has no savings as he's remortgaged his home 11 times in recent years and increased the debt every time. This from a 60 year old ? You can bet his entire financial plan depends on remaining on the public payroll forever. Typical socialist. Do we want this guy running the public finances ?

[socialist]

I think he gives a green light to neoliberalism now?

The platform with the most gaping holes is the NDP. Just looking at the list here I estimate an additional $30 billion in new spending.

National daycare and tripling our foreign aid, to bringing back door to door mail delivery. These are enormously expensive, unnecessary programs. Where on earth will this money come from?

There is no plan whatsoever for economic growth or job creation from the NDP. Indeed, their proposals will clearly hinder and stall growth (increasing just about every type of tax, carbon taxes, rejecting every pipeline).

Notice how there are hardly any solid numbers attached to the NDP proposals (compared to the Conservative or Liberal platforms). These are all vague promises. It's time for Tom to start answering some hard questions.

[Hudson Jones]

So, socialist, are you voting for Harper?

Also, why the name if you believe socialism is slavery?

[socialist]

So, socialist, are you voting for Harper?

Also, why the name if you believe socialism is slavery?

I was a socialist, but am one no longer. I don't know who I'll vote for.

[socialist]

So, you're a socialist in name only! We can use a new acronym: SIN or SINO, to go with the RINO's and DINO's and is it possible to have such a thing as a LINO? Not sure, since during my life time, Liberals have stood for every issue....as long as it was popular.

Every province has to go through an NDP Government once to remind themselves why they should never form Government. We did in BC. Ontario did. Alberta is learning. Maybe it's time Canada did.

It's kind of a rite of passage. Like getting drunk on lemon gin as a teenager. It seems like a good idea at the time. Until you wake up the next day.

[socialist]

Kevin Page has argued, fairly convincingly, that there has been no real increase in military spending under Harper: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-gets-poor-grade-for-military-spending-1.3030862

I see no reason to believe that the NDP will gut the military any worse than this.

I tend to support the first two and the last of these. (I would prefer to scrap TFSAs altogether but that's probably politically unviable right now.) I disagree with the NDP about the OAS eligibility age and am sceptical that a federal day-care programme is a good idea right now. I'm undecided about corporate taxes but I'm not sure that the slight increase they're talking about would be that damaging.

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If the NDP win we are done. They wreck every province they have had power in. And not just the normal "wreck" that comes with most governments. DESTROY. There has never been a successful NDP government.

This is what will happen if the NDP get a majority:

1) All guns but bolt action will be outlawed and even bolt action will have to be registered again.

2) $15 min wage. All small businesses close or lay off over 50% of their staff causing MASSIVE unemployment.

3) The ENTIRE petroleum industry dies due to severe tree hugging. Power bills will skyrocket and fuel prices will triple.

4) EI and welfare will be handed out to everyone that comes to Canada and to pay for it, taxes will go up a LOT. The wealthy and middle class will have less to spend and the unemployment will get even worse.

5) The military will be GUTTED and what marching orders there are, will be taken directly from the UN.

This is the fate of Canada under the NDP.

[PrimeNumber]

I feel like you weren't even a socialist at all. And if you were, you were a terrible one. You're talking points were terrible, your ideas were terrible. Are you one of those paid internet trolls? it's like you were hired to come go on forums and be the worst socialist you possibly could be and then pretend like you're having some crazy awakening just before the election. Yea you sure fooled us!

Edited August 15, 2015 by PrimeNumber

[August1991]

If the NDP win we are done. They wreck every province they have had power in. And not just the normal "wreck" that comes with most governments. DESTROY. There has never been a successful NDP government.

This is what will happen if the NDP get a majority...

And this is Harper's strategy.

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In an election between Harper and the NDP Socialists, Harper wins. While many marginal voters fear Harper, they fear the NDP even more.:

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The truly sad thing is that Harper is not radical or right-wing. Yet marginal voters (LIFV) perceive the CPC and the NDP as radical choices.

[bTW: Quebec voters (LIFV or otherwise) have lived through this and now simply want peace.]

[Edited to add: I'm not so certain of a socialist fear. The possible seat numbers are there for a federal NDP majority. Barrett got it; Rae got it; Notley got it. Heck, René Lévesque won in 1976.]

Edited August 15, 2015 by August1991

[socialist]

I feel like you weren't even a socialist at all. And if you were, you were a terrible one. You're talking points were terrible, your ideas were terrible. Are you one of those paid internet trolls? it's like you were hired to come go on forums and be the worst socialist you possibly could be and then pretend like you're having some crazy awakening just before the election. Yea you sure fooled us!

I was die hard socialist for many years. Over the past year I have been discussing politics with many people of very different political stripes. I've come to the conclusion that socialism doesn't work for me anymore. I don't call myself a Conservative either. Right now I seem to be sitting in political limbo. I do seem to like the ideals of Libertarians.

FYI, I wasn't paid by anyone to post here. The accusations here against me become more outlandish by the day. Why is it so hard to believe people convert?

[socialist]

I feel like you weren't even a socialist at all. And if you were, you were a terrible one. You're talking points were terrible, your ideas were terrible. Are you one of those paid internet trolls? it's like you were hired to come go on forums and be the worst socialist you possibly could be and then pretend like you're having some crazy awakening just before the election. Yea you sure fooled us!

When a NDP candidate comes knocking on your door, the first and only question that needs to be asked is “When will the $2.7 million be paid back to the hard working taxpayers?”. If he doesn’t turn and run and starts to lie his/her out of it, remind him of trespass laws.

[Bob Macadoo]

I feel like you weren't even a socialist at all. And if you were, you were a terrible one. You're talking points were terrible, your ideas were terrible. Are you one of those paid internet trolls? it's like you were hired to come go on forums and be the worst socialist you possibly could be and then pretend like you're having some crazy awakening just before the election. Yea you sure fooled us!

There's no money involved......just attention. He pulls this every quarter......a revelation....stirs up shyte for his right of centre (Argus, Ash, etc) adversaries then reverts back to his "teachers of the world unite" schtick. No worries this too shall pass.

[BubberMiley]

I don't think I'll vote NDP either, even though I'd like to see them win. I live in a traditionally Liberal riding that swings Conservative. It's never been NDP and, judging from the current lawn sign distribution, won't be this time either. If I am serious in my desire for this government to be sent packing, I have no choice but to grit my teeth and vote Liberal.

[socialist]

I don't think I'll vote NDP either, even though I'd like to see them win. I live in a traditionally Liberal riding that swings Conservative. It's never been NDP and, judging from the current lawn sign distribution, won't be this time either. If I am serious in my desire for this government to be sent packing, I have no choice but to grit my teeth and vote Liberal.

So you would have no problem with Trudeau as PM? That says a lot.

[Argus]

This is just the top if the iceberg.

Increasing the gas tax.

Cap and Trade scheme which will increase the cost of power, home heating oil, natural gas and gasoline.

Re-introducing the long gun registry, at God only knows what cost, along with allowing municipalities to ban firearms entirely.

An end to any physical efforts to obstruct terrorist groups. We will, however, wag our finger at them and frown.

New anti-Israeli, pro Muslim dictatorship foreign policy.

Doubling capital gains taxes, which will destroy smaller businesses trying to raise money on the stock market while also making it harder for people to save for retirement.

A heaping load of sucking up to Quebec and it's nationalists and whatever they want.

Introduction of a variety of boards and advisory commissions for business, as well as new rules and regulations, including those designed to prevent 'vertical integration' for some reason.

New affirmative action programs requiring the hiring and promotion of minorities.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Argus

[BubberMiley]

So you would have no problem with Trudeau as PM? That says a lot.

He'd be better than the out-of-touch failure we have now.

[Argus]

Please re-read my post. I said no NDP government at Federal level has ever been elected. In the 90's that you had a disaster Bob Rae we had a good NDP government in Manitoba in the 80's. That said, I don't think any provincial government is an indicative of how the party would do at Federal level.

The party's policy document is, though, and I bet you haven't read it.