On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Well, he's the first sitting president to visit a federal prison (which surprises me) and he's black. I hope he draws attention to the issues of justice. It will be interesting to follow these events. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Well, he's the first sitting president to visit a federal prison (which surprises me) and he's black. I hope he draws attention to the issues of justice. Surprises me too, because President Lincoln visited Libby Prison in 1865, and he was not "black". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Posted July 12, 2015 Surprises me too, because President Lincoln visited Libby Prison in 1865, and he was not "black". 1865. Wow. Quite a precedent, I'd say. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Posted July 12, 2015 Surprises me too, because President Lincoln visited Libby Prison in 1865, and he was not "black". Do you not find it remarkable? Or are you indifferent? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Canada_First Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Do we really need to educate you on why blacks are imprisoned more than any other population. Honestly, I thought the reasoning for the incarceration of blacks was well understood. Perhaps I'm wrong and a conversation needs to take place. So blacks aren't killing people? They aren't dealing crack in the inner cities? Are the police just making up the charges as they go along? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Posted July 12, 2015 So blacks aren't killing people? They aren't dealing crack in the inner cities? Are the police just making up the charges as they go along? Alrighty we need some education herel Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 So blacks aren't killing people? They aren't dealing crack in the inner cities? Are the police just making up the charges as they go along? Do you think skin color has no bearing over who gets a fairer shake in the courts? Quote
Shady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Do you think skin color has no bearing over who gets a fairer shake in the courts? Skin colour doesn't. Money might though. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Skin colour doesn't. Money might though. But there are more poor white people than black in the U.S. - so what is happening? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Shady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 But there are more poor white people than black in the U.S. - so what is happening? What do you mean? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 What do you mean? Take a look at the racial disparity in incarceration in the US. Quote
Shady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Take a look at the racial disparity in incarceration in the US. Yes, and there are many factors that are involved. Most paramount, the disintegration of the black family and education. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Yes, and there are many factors that are involved. Most paramount, the disintegration of the black family and education. How does that explain, for instance, why whites use drugs at a higher rate than blacks but blacks are jailed for drug offenses at a much higher rate. Or why blacks spend nearly as much time in jail for drug offenses as whites do for violent offenses. Pretty hard to explain those kind of stats by simply blaming it on families. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 What do you mean? You said skin colour doesn't matter but money might- right? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Shady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 How does that explain, for instance, why whites use drugs at a higher rate than blacks but blacks are jailed for drug offenses at a much higher rate. Or why blacks spend nearly as much time in jail for drug offenses as whites do for violent offenses. Pretty hard to explain those kind of stats by simply blaming it on families.Whites don't do drugs at a higher rate. But regardless, areas with the highest crime tend to be watched more vigorously, hence more arrests of blacks. Anyways, this subject has been beaten to death numerous times. And all the factors have been mentioned numerous times. Quote
Shady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 You said skin colour doesn't matter but money might- right? Yes, the ability to hire the best lawyer definitely plays a significant role. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Then why are incarceration rates different? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
sharkman Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Why didn't you name these incarceration rates? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Whites don't do drugs at a higher rate. But regardless, areas with the highest crime tend to be watched more vigorously, hence more arrests of blacks. Anyways, this subject has been beaten to death numerous times. And all the factors have been mentioned numerous times. There are no shortage of studies that show the discrepancies of useage and arrests. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html Quote
kimmy Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 It is about time. How much money are they piddling away, and lives are they ruining, by throwing people in jail who got caught smoking a joint in the wrong state for instance? Many private prisons have been built with occupancy guarantees from governments. The government has to pay a cash penalty to the prison operator for each prison space that goes unused. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
WIP Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Obama is continuing his legacy. "President Barack Obama next week will become the first sitting President to visit a federal prison, the White House announced Friday." "Obama will visit El Reno Federal Correctional Institution in El Reno, Oklahoma, next Thursday, where he will meet with inmates and law enforcement officials, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said." What is his mandate? "At a news conference last week, Obama said reforming the criminal justice system was a top priority for his remaining time in office." "On Tuesday, Obama will speak at the 106th Annual NAACP Convention in Philadelphia, where Josh Earnest said the President will outline "injustice" in the system and highlight ideas for reform." Again, good for him. About time! It's already been asked, but what the hell has he been doing during his eight years in office? Especially when he first took the controls of government and had a Democratic Party-controlled Congress! On his way out the door, Obama is the same person he was when he was handpicked by billionheiress - Penny Pritzker (a major behind the scenes player among the rich and powerful in Chicago) and introduced to Goldmann-Sachs execs and the Wall Street crowd, as a candidate who would look after the interests of the rich and powerful, regardless of whatever rhetoric came out of his mouth! So, here he goes...riding off into the sunset, making a bunch of speeches and introducing legislation (which has no hope in hell of passing) in order to try to leave behind some kind of populist legacy, while he will be richly rewarded for his services on behalf of the oligarchs....especially pushing through TPP, TISA and TTIP, which will usher in a brave new world where international corporations and banks have veto power over the nation states of the world. That should be the Obama Legacy (along with continuing the Bush legacy of using military to leverage US international interests) - the man who pushed through the last steps to rule by oligarchy, and not making pointless speeches on not PR at a federal prison, when he is the man who had the power to do something about the growing Prison Industrial Complex, and did nothing! May he rot in hell! Edited July 12, 2015 by WIP Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
cybercoma Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Many private prisons have been built with occupancy guarantees from governments. The government has to pay a cash penalty to the prison operator for each prison space that goes unused. -k Can you cite an official source on this? I would like to read more about it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2015 Report Posted July 12, 2015 Many private prisons have been built with occupancy guarantees from governments. The government has to pay a cash penalty to the prison operator for each prison space that goes unused. -k A bit of a twist on the old motto, "build it and they will come". Now you just add "or we will go out and get 'em" Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 16, 2015 Author Report Posted July 16, 2015 It's pretty sad when Obama has to re-iterate what rape means to reporters in the room. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WIP Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 It's pretty sad when Obama is allowed to step in and play leader on important issues he has disregarded for two terms as president. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
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