Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 Is that why Harper has the largest cabinet in history? Is that why he's added more to the debt than any other prime minister in a generation? Yeah....he's all about smaller government. Define generation.........and yes, the size of the public service has been cut.....aren't you listening to the PSAC adds? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Define generation.........and yes, the size of the public service has been cut.....aren't you listening to the PSAC adds? I guess when you create the largest top heavy government ever, cutting is the only thing you could do. Well, at least when you are trying to suck up a vote or two. Quote
Smallc Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 The last few governments combined have cut the percentage or GDP eaten up by the federal government to its lowest level in 60 years or so. Government has definitely gotten smaller. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 The last few governments combined have cut the percentage or GDP eaten up by the federal government to its lowest level in 60 years or so. Government has definitely gotten smaller. Apparently you haven't bothered to count heads yet. Quote
Smallc Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Apparently you haven't bothered to count heads yet. There are too many minsters. That has little to do with the overall size of the government. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 There are too many minsters. That has little to do with the overall size of the government. Well he did fire a lot of scientists. Can't have that nonsense going around. Quote
Argus Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Well he did fire a lot of scientists. Can't have that nonsense going around. How many? Cite please. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 How many? Cite please. How's this for a start? http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/research-cutbacks-by-government-alarm-scientists-1.2490081 Quote
Argus Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 How's this for a start? http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/research-cutbacks-by-government-alarm-scientists-1.2490081 What I see are public servants who are, naturally enough, upset that there have been cuts, as there have been to all areas of government (aside, why in hell does DFO need to have 11 libraries anyway?). I don't see any important area where the government lacks proper scientific advice, however. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 What I see are public servants who are, naturally enough, upset that there have been cuts, as there have been to all areas of government (aside, why in hell does DFO need to have 11 libraries anyway?). I don't see any important area where the government lacks proper scientific advice, however. You don't eh? So now you are trying to tell us you are a scientist? Harper doesn't like science...gets in the way of his all in one basket oil business...oh wait now! Quote
Boges Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Hearing a lot of Radio Attack ads from these guys http://www.notthereforyou.ca I'm sure this is outrageous right? Quote
Argus Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Engage Canada is big labour, mostly the big public service unions. They're basically investing their members' money to get a government in place which will give them better benefits and pay rates. I don't see this as any different from a business putting out advertising to get a government in place which will give them higher profits or lower oversight. It ought to be banned. I guess saying "Help us get rid of the Harper government to help Canada" sounds better than "Help us get rid of the Harper government so we can get fat raises." Edited July 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) EngageCanada is owned by Liberals/NDP/Unions but notice they don't tell you anything on the site. They are not registered as a third party so if the writ is dropped early they are done. D. Akins fact checked their ad and it didn't do well - fact wise that is. What are they hiding anhyway, no one takes responsibility for those ads or give names of supporters but worst of all they are pretty loose with the facts. No doubt the new batch will be as dishonest as the first. Time to drop the writ, I’m betting on Aug. 9th. – same election date. Edited July 29, 2015 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
waldo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 EngageCanada is owned by Liberals/NDP/Unions but notice they don't tell you anything on the site. since, as you say, "we know nothing" please enlighten us... citation request vis-a-vis your "owned" statement seems to me the website says... sumthin! About Engage Canada Engage Canada is a broad based, grassroots organization formed in response to a growing movement in Canada looking for change in Ottawa. For too long, wealthy conservative Super PACs like Working Canadians and Conservative Voice have spent millions protecting wealthy conservative interests and monopolizing political discussion in Canada. The middle class in Canada is struggling and the Harper Conservatives have only made things worse. Engage Canada has received funding from progressive groups, organizations and individuals from across Canada who want to fight to ensure that middle class families get their voices heard. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 since, as you say, "we know nothing" please enlighten us... citation request vis-a-vis your "owned" statement seems to me the website says... sumthin! Waldo - c'mon man - you can't be serious.......consider yourself enlightened. Unions, centre-left interests to begin ad campaign attacking Harpers Tories A group of high-level Liberal and New Democratic backroom veterans has collected millions of dollars from unions and other centre-left interests to run a pre-election advertising campaign attacking Stephen Harpers Conservatives. Beginning on Friday, the group which calls itself Engage Canada will begin running television ads across Canada......... Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/unions-centre-left-interests-to-begin-ad-campaign-attacking-harpers-tories/article24924913/ Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Waldo - c'mon man Simple, c'mon man... that's the point - the foundation/backing isn't any kind of unknown/secret, notwithstanding the "unknown veil" scribbler cloaked it in! what's truly enlightening is to see the absolute hand-wringing, fist-clenching and butt-tightening from Harper Conservative supporters over opponents advertising... while all the while ignoring past/continuing efforts by groups supportive of Harper... like "Working Canadians", like "Conservative Voice", etc. Apparently, in your reality, "what's good for the Harper goose, is not good for anyone/anything else" - go figure, hey Simple! Quote
Boges Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 Simple, c'mon man... that's the point - the foundation/backing isn't any kind of unknown/secret, notwithstanding the "unknown veil" scribbler cloaked it in! what's truly enlightening is to see the absolute hand-wringing, fist-clenching and butt-tightening from Harper Conservative supporters over opponents advertising... while all the while ignoring past/continuing efforts by groups supportive of Harper... like "Working Canadians", like "Conservative Voice", etc. Apparently, in your reality, "what's good for the Harper goose, is not good for anyone/anything else" - go figure, hey Simple! I'm from Ontario. I know full well what Third party advertisers do in elections. This thread was started because people objected to Advertisers doing Harper's bidding. What's good for the Goose right? I'm sure people opposed to Harper have absolutely no problem with Engage Canada. Quote
scribblet Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 Waldo - c'mon man - you can't be serious.......consider yourself enlightened. Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/unions-centre-left-interests-to-begin-ad-campaign-attacking-harpers-tories/article24924913/ From the paper, but their site says nothing, zip, and their twitter account (engagecanada) lies saying they are non-partisan. When the ConservativePac came out they listed all their founders up front, the left wing union pacs hide everything. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 I'm from Ontario. I know full well what Third party advertisers do in elections. This thread was started because people objected to Advertisers doing Harper's bidding. What's good for the Goose right? I'm sure people opposed to Harper have absolutely no problem with Engage Canada. Exactly, and that's the point. (what advertisers doing Harper's bidding?) There was no problem with third party advertising until the Conservativepac, which brought out the big guns. Even Jean P. Kingsley formerly of E.C. got into it suggesting they should all quit, but he wasn't concerned prior to the conservativepac. EngageCanada has not registered as a third party so if the writ is dropped this weekend, they are done. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Keepitsimple Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Simple, c'mon man... that's the point - the foundation/backing isn't any kind of unknown/secret, notwithstanding the "unknown veil" scribbler cloaked it in! The point was made that Engage Canada makes it appear that it's all about "concerned citizens".......but you knew that of course, and chose to ramble on with nonsense anyway....first asking for a cite - and now saying that everybody knows. Glad to see you finally admitting to the Liberal/NDP/Union involvement. Edited July 30, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 I'm from Ontario. I know full well what Third party advertisers do in elections. and it was the HarperPAC goose that started it all Quote
waldo Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 The point was made that Engage Canada makes it appear that it's all about "concerned citizens".......but you knew that of course, and chose to ramble on with nonsense anyway....first asking for a cite - and now saying that everybody knows. Glad to see you finally admitting to the Liberal/NDP/Union involvement. oh please! The cite was to emphasize the idiocy behind the "veiled secrecy" nonsense posted! The foundation/key members forming Engage Canada is no secret - never has been. Speaking of cite's, per this your latest comment, you can certainly step forward to show that the Liberal and NDP parties are involved in Engage Canada... you could do that, right? In your world, do you equate former provincial staffers to federal parties? Quote
scribblet Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 The point was made that Engage Canada makes it appear that it's all about "concerned citizens".......but you knew that of course, and chose to ramble on with nonsense anyway....first asking for a cite - and now saying that everybody knows. Glad to see you finally admitting to the Liberal/NDP/Union involvement. And of course they are not just representing "concerned citizens, they are a well funded superpac, and the fact they have not registered as third party is fishy. According to that G & M article they have millions in funding from unions. Their facebook page doesn't give any names either so why the secrecy and cover up? D. Akins says that the non-profit. Board is Kathleen Monk and two former Dalton McGuinty ladies: Don Guy, David Gene, funded by “progressive groups". http://blogs.canoe.com/davidakin/politics/engage-canada-vs-evidence-jenni-byrne-and-the-conservatives/ According to the CBC the writ will be dropped this Sunday which means they can't advertise anymore without registering, I wonder if they've spent all of their money yet. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
BubberMiley Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 I can see why you would say they are well funded if you aren't sure if they're out of money. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Are people really denying that Engage Canada is funded by Public Service Unions? Ostrich head meet sand. Edited July 30, 2015 by Boges Quote
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