Tax Single Mothers

[msj]

Not for grandparents apparently. Same goes for the 2k we are spending so our oldest grandson can go on a school rugby tour to New Zealand next spring break. Been through that with my tax people. A tax credit would be nice I guess but really has nothing to do with it. I'd much rather be a tax payer than a welfare recipient.

Arrange your affairs properly. Pay the parents cash less the $150 that they will get back on their return.

As for the rugby: yeah, no break for you.

[-1=e^ipi]

Wealthy, far from it but we've done OK.

In my eyes, your entire family is probably wealthy if that is the case.

[Hal 9000]

You havent yet backed up any of your claims, made some wild assumptions, and yes you do seem to be blaming women.

I don't blame them, I blame a society that has made it easy (almost adventageous) for women to ditch their relationship. A society that say's "we don't need men/fathers".

[On Guard for Thee]

I don't blame them, I blame a society that has made it easy (almost adventageous) for women to ditch their relationship. A society that say's "we don't need men/fathers".

How dumb a phrase is...(almost advantageous)...I suspect men disappear once they find girlfriend is pregnant because they dont want the responsibility. After all, that fetus is not inside their bodies.

[Wilber]

Arrange your affairs properly. Pay the parents cash less the $150 that they will get back on their return.

As for the rugby: yeah, no break for you.

The rugby tour is both athletic, educational and a school program so where do you make the distinction? The kids billet with families of the teams they play against. We hosted kids from England and Wales when their schools were touring here.

No matter, these things are not obligations and being able to do them gives us a lot of pleasure, so you could say our motives are selfish.

[-1=e^ipi]

How dumb a phrase is...(almost advantageous)...I suspect men disappear once they find girlfriend is pregnant because they dont want the responsibility. After all, that fetus is not inside their bodies.

Maybe they never consented to being a parent?

Anyway, the ultimate solution is to construct an artificial uterus and sterilize everyone.

[On Guard for Thee]

Maybe they never consented to being a parent?

Anyway, the ultimate solution is to construct an artificial uterus and sterilize everyone.

Umm, they likely gave tacit consent when they engaged in sex. And your so called solution is ridiculous.

[-1=e^ipi]

Umm, they likely gave tacit consent when they engaged in sex. And your so called solution is ridiculous.

Yes I realize our society has a ridiculous double standard where consent to sex = consent to parenthood for males but not females. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

With respect to the 'solution' I was half joking. Although the family system is one of the reasons there is a large inequality of outcome; because it creates inequality of opportunity. You have some people born in a family with not only 2 loving parents, but grandparents around that pay 2k for them to go on rugby trips to New Zealand and then there are other people born into far less fortunate circumstances.

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[Hal 9000]

How dumb a phrase is...(almost advantageous)...I suspect men disappear once they find girlfriend is pregnant because they dont want the responsibility. After all, that fetus is not inside their bodies.

Not as many as you might expect...or have been told. How many do you suspect actually want to be a part of the kids life, even marry the girl? How many are told to hit the road without even a chance?

As I said, people tend to do what works for them.

[Wilber]

With respect to the 'solution' I was half joking. Although the family system is one of the reasons there is a large inequality of outcome; because it creates inequality of opportunity. You have some people born in a family with not only 2 loving parents, but grandparents around that pay 2k for them to go on rugby trips to New Zealand and then there are other people born into far less fortunate circumstances.

Exactly, that's why being able to do so is a privilege that one should be grateful for, regardless of how you get there, not something that should be rewarded by government because you think you done good.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes I realize our society has a ridiculous double standard where consent to sex = consent to parenthood for males but not females. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

With respect to the 'solution' I was half joking. Although the family system is one of the reasons there is a large inequality of outcome; because it creates inequality of opportunity. You have some people born in a family with not only 2 loving parents, but grandparents around that pay 2k for them to go on rugby trips to New Zealand and then there are other people born into far less fortunate circumstances.

I don't know where you get this double standard nonsense. As a matter of fact you have it ass backwards. Women have more skin in the game when it comes to consensual sex because they are the ones left to care for the child if he leaves. If you don't plan to have the balls to stand up to your responsibilities as a father, don't become one. Unless you are sack of hammers stupid these days, you know there are ways to have fun without ending up with an unwanted pregnancy.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not as many as you might expect...or have been told. How many do you suspect actually want to be a part of the kids life, even marry the girl? How many are told to hit the road without even a chance?

As I said, people tend to do what works for them.

If they dont want to be part of a kids life, they should be careful not to father any.

[Hal 9000]

So, you really don't get the fact that it's the female ridding herself of the guy more often (way more often) than the guy running out eh?

[On Guard for Thee]

So, you really don't get the fact that it's the female ridding herself of the guy more often (way more often) than the guy running out eh?

And this is a fact because you say so....nope.

[-1=e^ipi]

Women have more skin in the game when it comes to consensual sex because they are the ones left to care for the child if he leaves.

1. The women is just as capable of leaving as the man.

2. Both men and women are responsible for taking steps to avoid pregnancy. You act like women have no agency (which btw is supporting a traditionalist gender role).

3. Women have options to opt out of unwanted parental responsibility such as abortion and abandonment.

http://www.canadiancrc.com/child_abandonment.aspx

If you don't plan to have the balls

This statement is a form of trying to impose traditionalist gender roles.

don't become one.

Don't worry. I wont.

[On Guard for Thee]

1. The women is just as capable of leaving as the man.

2. Both men and women are responsible for taking steps to avoid pregnancy. You act like women have no agency (which btw is supporting a traditionalist gender role).

3. Women have options to opt out of unwanted parental responsibility such as abortion and abandonment.

http://www.canadiancrc.com/child_abandonment.aspx

This statement is a form of trying to impose traditionalist gender roles.

Don't worry. I wont.

1. Duh...if she leaves she leaves with the baby.

2. Yes they share that responsibility.

3. Abortion is up to her, Abandonment is up to him, more often than not.

[-1=e^ipi]

1. Duh...if she leaves she leaves with the baby.

Yet the man doesn't have the option of taking care of the baby if she leaves. Custody almost always goes to the female.

Abandonment is up to him, more often than not.

How. Please try to justify this statement.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yet the man doesn't have the option of taking care of the baby if she leaves. Custody almost always goes to the female.

How. Please try to justify this statement.

Custody almost always goes to the female because the male leaves to relieve himself of responsibility.

[-1=e^ipi]

Custody almost always goes to the female because the male leaves to relieve himself of responsibility.

No, it goes to the female the vast majority of our time because our justice system is sexist and due to the belief that having the female take care of the kids rather than the male is 'natural'.

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[On Guard for Thee]

No, it goes to the female the vast majority of our time because our justice system is sexist and due to the belief that having the female take care of the kids rather than the male is 'natural'.

No, the courts by and large have adopted a policy of deciding custody in such cases based on who is and has been the primary caregiver. That tends more often to be the mother.

[-1=e^ipi]

No, the courts by and large have adopted a policy of deciding custody in such cases based on who is and has been the primary caregiver.

I.e. because the mother gets maternity leave and can breastfeed, she should get custody by default even when the children are much older.

Yes, why actually base custody on who would be best for the child or give joint custody so the children can have 2 parents? *sarcasm*

[On Guard for Thee]

I.e. because the mother gets maternity leave and can breastfeed, she should get custody by default even when the children are much older.

Yes, why actually base custody on who would be best for the child or give joint custody so the children can have 2 parents? *sarcasm*

No, because the mother tends more often to be the primary caregiver.

[-1=e^ipi]

No, because the mother tends more often to be the primary caregiver.

It should be based on who would give the best life for the kids in the future, not on the past. And again this concept of 'primary caregiver' is sexist similar how the 'literacy tests' to vote were racist against blacks in the South. Why is working to provide income to support your kids not considered caregiving, but having maternity leave and breastfeeding (2 things men can't do) count towards caregiving? In many cases both parents are providing care so there should be no 'primary caregiver'.

[On Guard for Thee]

It should be based on who would give the best life for the kids in the future, not on the past. And again this concept of 'primary caregiver' is sexist similar how the 'literacy tests' to vote were racist against blacks in the South. Why is working to provide income to support your kids not considered caregiving, but having maternity leave and breastfeeding (2 things men can't do) count towards caregiving? In many cases both parents are providing care so there should be no 'primary caregiver'.

When men just walk away to avoid their parental responsibility, its pretty a no brainer. When their is a contest, courts are forced to decide. I dont know where your infatuation with breast feeding comes from, but I doubt the courts indulge in such nonsense when deciding who the primary caregiver is.

[-1=e^ipi]

When men just walk away to avoid their parental responsibility, its pretty a no brainer.

Just because a man decides to walk away doesn't mean they are doing it to avoid parental responsibility. They might be leaving an abusive relationship. Maybe the two parties decide to get divorced, etc. Do you really think men 'avoiding parental responsibility' are the reason custody rates are so skewed (you would need like over 50% of the male population in cases of separation to be avoiding parental responsibility), especially when some of these men then try to get custody in the children? If they were avoiding parental responsibility, why would they want parental custody? It makes no sense.

When their is a contest, courts are forced to decide.

And we know how that turns out.

I dont know where your infatuation with breast feeding comes from, but I doubt the courts indulge in such nonsense when deciding who the primary caregiver is.

Custody rates suggest otherwise.

Edited July 6, 2015 by -1=e^ipi