Truth and Reconciliation... Legitimacy

[Accountability Now]

Failed to answer the question.

You failed to understand the question

[On Guard for Thee]

There is no issue, it has been explained, 4%, of 33%, of just the children, most of whom were not intentionally murdered, is not genocide, it is not "A botched genocide", it is not a cultural genocide, becuase there is no such thing, no attempt was ever made in this country to exterminate our native population. We know this in part because in other places it was done, and successfully, what happened to those kids was wrong, but it wasn't a genocide of any kind. By your measure of genocide, it has happened everywhere, which both diminishes the meaning of the word and the suffering of people who have actually experienced it.

Im going to stop replying to you now because i believe you are only a troll persona with too much time on their hands.

Ever heard of the phrase ...take the Indian out of the boy...that constitutes cultural genocide.

[On Guard for Thee]

You failed to understand the question

You ignored the question No wonder, if you think child abuse is hilarious.

[Accountability Now]

You ignored the question No wonder, if you think child abuse is hilarious.

That is obviously the best you can do...hey? The old strawman. You really need to learn how to do this because you really have nothing

[On Guard for Thee]

That is obviously the best you can do...hey? The old strawman. You really need to learn how to do this because you really have nothing

Sadly it seems the best you can do is attempt to dismiss the report based on wonky math calculations. Anyway, flail away as you see fit. Its hopeful the reconciliation part of the report will proceed despite your ilk. After all, they got rid of apartheid, right...

Edited June 3, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

[Je suis Omar]

There is no issue, it has been explained, 4%, of 33%,

Im going to stop replying to you now because i believe you are only a troll persona with too much time on their hands.

You speak from a position of profound ignorance, Poochy. You do so despite having had the definitions of genocide put right in front of you.

Despite problems of how genocide is defined under the Criminal Code, the argument can be made that forced transfer is clearly a form of biological genocide. This was Raphael Lemkins conclusion in 1951, when he posited that genocide can be committed either by destroying the group now or by preventing it from bearing children or keeping its offspring. He further responded to the question, Can genocide be committed by kidnapping children? by stating emphatically, The answer is yes! Kidnapping, he argued, was certainly a form of biological genocide, in that, From the point of view of genocide or the destruction of a human group, there is little difference between direct killings and such techniques which, like a time-bomb, destroy by delayed action. Mundorff has articulated the same view, seeing forcible transfer as both physical and biological: It does so biologically, by preventing children from reproducing within the group, and physically, by discouraging children from returning to their group. He continues: Childrearing is the quintessential process that racial, ethnic, religious, or national groups perform as these groups perpetuate themselves primarily through childrearing. Any instrument protecting these human groups should recognize the central role of children.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/31790474/Colonial_Genocide_-_IRS_Chapter_-_D4_January_2013-8.docx?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ56TQJRTWSMTNPEA&Expires=1433309497&Signature=UCppZnFp%2BqSPJmfJbliP5wosYz8%3D

Edited June 3, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[jacee]

The troubling legacy of Duncan Campbell Scott

Duncan Campbell Scott (1862-1947), as

Today as we engage in a much needed national conversation on whether these policies were, in fact, genocidal in nature, it behooves us to recall the words of Duncan Campbell Scott in response to Dr. Peter Bryces warnings regarding tuberculosis on reserves and schools:

"It is readily acknowledged that Indian Children lose their natural resistance to illness by habituating so closely in the residential schools and that they die at a much higher rate than in their villages. But this does not justify a change in the policy of this department which is geared toward a final solution of our Indian problem."

Bernie M. Farber

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[On Guard for Thee]

The troubling legacy of Duncan Campbell Scott

Duncan Campbell Scott (1862-1947), as

Today as we engage in a much needed national conversation on whether these policies were, in fact, genocidal in nature, it behooves us to recall the words of Duncan Campbell Scott in response to Dr. Peter Bryces warnings regarding tuberculosis on reserves and schools:

It is readily acknowledged that Indian Children lose their natural resistance to illness by habituating so closely in the residential schools and that they die at a much higher rate than in their villages. But this does not justify a change in the policy of this department which is geared toward a final solution of our Indian problem.

Bernie M. Farber

which is geared toward a final solution of our Indian problem.

Thats about as heavy as it gets I would say.

[poochy]

which is geared toward a final solution of our Indian problem.

Thats about as heavy as it gets I would say.

One of either your reading comprehension, or your ability to be honest, is completely broken. The solution, as wrong as it was, was to assimilate these children, in these schools, even if they were getting sick. Which was wrong, but it isn't that other thing that you're saying without actually saying it.

[poochy]

. Anyway, flail away as you see fit. Its hopeful the reconciliation part of the report will proceed despite your ilk. After all, they got rid of apartheid, right...

It so sad that your personal limits lead you to make such ridiculous statements in lieu of making an actual argument. But you are the stereotype of your ilk, long on rhetoric, short on talent.

[On Guard for Thee]

It so sad that your personal limits lead you to make such ridiculous statements in lieu of making an actual argument. But you are the stereotype of your ilk, long on rhetoric, short on talent.

Is it possible you were unfortunate to have been...educated...at one of those schools.

[On Guard for Thee]

It so sad that your personal limits lead you to make such ridiculous statements in lieu of making an actual argument. But you are the stereotype of your ilk, long on rhetoric, short on talent.

Dont be sad. Just try harder.

[Charles Anthony]

Guys,

Stop the personal comments.

[GostHacked]

Who are the trolls again? Right, because, CANADA !!!!!!

[Topaz]

Hasn't this attitude towards the First Nations been going on since the English and the French settled here? What part does the British government has blame, after all not until 1947, we were British subjects. I remember in history that the British or the French gave the FN blankets that has small pox virus on them. The FN have been treated really badly by the rest of us.

[Smallc]

Ever heard of the phrase ...take the Indian out of the boy...that constitutes cultural genocide.

Does that constitute proof in your book? That phrase was uttered almost 150 years ago.

[jacee]

Does that constitute proof in your book? That phrase was uttered almost 150 years ago.

It was the policy of the government relative to the 'Indian' Residential Schools when the federal government assumed control and responsibility.

Seems pretty relevant to me.

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[Smallc]

It was the policy of the government relative to the 'Indian' Residential Schools when the federal government assumed control and responsibility.

The policy was integration, not extermination.

[jacee]

On Guard for Thee, on 03 Jun 2015 - 01:52 AM, said:

which is geared toward a final solution of our Indian problem.

Thats about as heavy as it gets I would say.

The solution, as wrong as it was, was to assimilate these children, in these schools, even if they were getting sick. Which was wrong, but it isn't that other thing that you're saying without actually saying it.

Assimilate ... by force.

But the quote isn't referring to assimilation. It's referring to children dying in the schools in large numbers due to rampant diseases that went unchecked and untreated, in a context of malnourishment and brutality.

And Scott says that nothing will be done about it, government policy won't change.

So ... what "other thing" do you mean, poochy?

That Canada's government-led genocide was more than "cultural"?

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[jacee]

The policy was integration, not extermination.

The policy was the destruction of Aboriginal Peoples "as such":

Destruction of family, community, languages, religion, governance, and any legal rights they may hold.

That is genocide.

Call it "cultural genocide" if you wish.

And of course, in government policy it had nothing to do with "saving their souls". Government policy simply took advantage of that religious fervor of the churches and used it as a convenient means of subjugating Indigenous Peoples to their own goals of taking complete and unobstructed control of their lands and the riches within.

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[Argus]

FYI

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

( b ) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

( c ) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

None of which happened, by the way. So even your expanded definition doesn't meet the smell test.

[Argus]

If you dont understand the context, do a little research.

That's interesting for you to say given your evident resentment when I tried to provide you with context.

[Je suis Omar]

The policy was integration, not extermination.

The policy is one of genocide, Smallc. I know you want to believe it was more benevolent but that doesn't change the fact that it was a policy of genocide.

[Argus]

They've just barely begun counting how many children died.

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How many died on the reserves? How many died in white society?

[Argus]

Apparently math is not your strong suit. Of course 100% of the kids in residential school didnt die. But it is reported about 6000 of them did. Is that more understandable for you rather than those complicated percentage calculations...

How many other kids died who weren't natives? How many natives died on the reserves?