BC First Nations lose social funding?

[Freddy]

I guess it can.

For all that we know maybe the dead are the lucky ones.

They don't need to witness your constant whining,

Edited May 23, 2015 by Freddy

[Je suis Omar]

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Am I reading this right?

Harper has cut off all social assistance to all Indigenous people living on 'reserves' in BC ... including welfare and disability support?

With no explanation at all?

And his minion Minister Valcourt refuses to answer any questions about it at all?

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Typical cowardly harper stuff.

[Freddy]

Typical cowardly harper stuff.

He's doing exactly what he said he would.

Redirect government spending towards hard working families. The ones that make this country work.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Freddy

[Je suis Omar]

He's doing exactly what he said he would.

Redirect government spending towards hard working families. The ones that make this country work.

Yeah, he's redirected money his way. Can you say major conflict of interest?

[Freddy]

Yeah, he's redirected money his way. Can you say major conflict of interest?

I don't think so. But I'm part of the hard working families who makes this country work. So I'm benefiting from it too.

I think his vision is good. He wants to reward good behaviour, and punish bad behaviour. Good behaviour stimulus, action plan.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Freddy

[H10]

All settled land, or very nearly, has been stolen from someone at some time, it's called the real world, believe it or not but in some places the orignal owners don't get any of it back, ever. Fortunately we are more generous.

We are a nation of rule of law. Once the British claimed the continent as north America and the land as part of britain, they had to respect indian land rights. The government can no more steal indian land than it can steal white man land in montreal or your house or my house. They don't get to steal land because of different skin color. If you want to go back to barbarity and we can all murder each other off for land, we can, but I think thats not what most canadians want.

[jacee]

They only reason these bands even entertain the idea of rejecting a billion dollars in resource revenue ...

Ah so Harper is punishing ... all of them.

Typical.

This is Harper's way of forcing pipelines through you think?

It's odd that no other media have yet reported this story.

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Edited May 23, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

What treaties give these FN the right to social funding. It was my understanding their are few treaties in place in BC.

All Canadians have access to social assistance and disability support.

Harper thinks he can starve them into submission like Sir John A did?

I don't think so.

:/

Edited May 23, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

That's nice and all, but in grownup land, there are laws and constitutions that need to be followed. It's how we organize ourselves.

Tell that to Harper.

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[Accountability Now]

All Canadians have access to social assistance and disability support.

Harper thinks he can starve them into submission like Sir John A did?

I don't think so.

:/

They're not Canadians...they're First Nations. They can't decide to be Canadians when it's convenient and then First Nations once development happens.

[TimG]

Ah so Harper is punishing ... all of them.

No. I suspect it is a program reorganization or something like and the supports is still there. The only issue is people quoted in the op are misrepresenting what is going on.

That said, if a native group wants to turn down 1 billion in resource revenues then they should have their funding cut.

Edited May 23, 2015 by TimG

[Freddy]

No. I suspect it is a program reorganization or something like and the supports is still there. The only issue is people quoted in the op are misrepresenting what is going on.That said, if a native group wants to turn down 1 billion in resource revenues then they should have their funding cut.

Not only that, if the First Nations want, they can reorganize their revenues from the Casinos they operate towards social funding. There is nothing we do for them they can't do for themselves.

And if they can't then let them self instinct. If you're no longer able to survive on your own, this planet has enough humans as is. Let them go extinct.

The smarter stronger humans will find a way to survive. We always have.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Freddy

[Civis Romanus sum]

Well I am sure the Indians would not mind you white people just give them back their land and go back to your country.

This is a deeply racist response. Do you think citizenship is based on race? Do you believe newcomers to Canada have fewer rights than those whose parents were born here?

[eyeball]

It's hard not to believe in the case of trying to fish for a living out on the coast. But Ottawa's fisheries policies have always resulted in less fish so it's allocation process's for opportunities have always relied on simply displacing one sector after another in their turn as opportunities become scarcer. Native people are at the head of the list and despite the admittedly perverse sense of vindictiveness I get whenever I see the non-native bastards that lobbied the state to displace me being displaced I realize we're all trapped in the same zero-sum Mug's game.

As I've pointed out before in these forums, being excluded in this step wise process has only had the effect of pushing me towards viewing myself as an Earthling and human being first - with a sense that everyone else can get in line. If and when push comes to shove we all have the same human right to sustain ourselves from the resources of the planet we were born on. Nations, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and otherwise who don't like that approach should get their nations off our planet because us Earthlings were here first.

As opportunities continue to shrink the numbers of the displaced will only grow and like any animals around a water-hole that's getting smaller, they'll only get meaner.

Edited May 23, 2015 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

The smarter stronger humans will find a way to survive. We always have.

This is also known as 'might makes right'. If you really believe in it, then you don't believe that the law should apply universally, just to achieve the means that you want to achieve.

[Freddy]

This is also known as 'might makes right'. If you really believe in it, then you don't believe that the law should apply universally, just to achieve the means that you want to achieve.

I don't believe Rules of law is a absolute, the way Nature is absolute. Rules of law only go's as far as someone's willingness to pump unlimited resources into enforcement.

Rule of law has limits. There are reasons for our bad behaviours. You can try to legislate the hell out of outlawing bad behaviour, but dont be surprised when it ends up causing more harm then good.

Life on earth is a result of billions of years of what works. I find it unwise, to change anything to drastically.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Freddy

[Michael Hardner]

Rule of law has limits. There are reasons for our bad behaviours. You can try to legislate the hell out of outlawing bad behaviour, but dont be surprised when it ends up causing more harm then good.

At the heart of it, though, you believe might makes right. So if a terrorist group succeeds in terrorizing Canadians to get them to accept their demands, all is right with the universe correct ? The bad behavior followed the course of nature and we can just move on...

[Freddy]

At the heart of it, though, you believe might makes right. So if a terrorist group succeeds in terrorizing Canadians to get them to accept their demands, all is right with the universe correct ? The bad behavior followed the course of nature and we can just move on...

I look at it from a very removed position, Where I see the bigger picture that there might be purpose behind our aggressive nature. Trying to stop our bad behaviour could have more consequences in the long run then the bad behaviour.

[Je suis Omar]

It's odd that no other media have yet reported this story.

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I wonder if bcsapper has read this. He is of the opinion that Canadian and USA media present the truth.

Egregious omissions are equally lies and propaganda.

[Je suis Omar]

I don't believe Rules of law is a absolute, the way Nature is absolute. Rules of law only go's as far as someone's willingness to pump unlimited resources into enforcement.

Are you in favor of Harper et al's "pump[ing] unlimited resources into enforcement" to turn Canada into jail city USA?

[H10]

This is a deeply racist response. Do you think citizenship is based on race? Do you believe newcomers to Canada have fewer rights than those whose parents were born here?

No. That is why the government cutting off indians for being indians is wrong.

[jacee]

They're not Canadians...they're First Nations. They can't decide to be Canadians when it's convenient and then First Nations once development happens.

In international law they are Indigenous Nations within the state of Canada.

In Harper law, Quebecois are a nation of people within Canada.

They are all Canadians.

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[jacee]

I don't believe Rules of law is a absolute, the way Nature is absolute. Rules of law only go's as far as someone's willingness to pump unlimited resources into enforcement.

Rule of law has limits. There are reasons for our bad behaviours. You can try to legislate the hell out of outlawing bad behaviour, but dont be surprised when it ends up causing more harm then good.

Life on earth is a result of billions of years of what works. I find it unwise, to change anything to drastically.

[TimG]

<meaningless platitude>

How many forests did the ice ages destroy? 4 billion years ago the planet could not support life on land, however, over millions of years waste product of an algae changed the composition of the atmosphere enough that life on land could emerge. Was it wrong for this algae to do this? Edited May 24, 2015 by TimG

[Guest]

The idea that 7 billion of us could live on the planet without changing it is strange to me. Why are people surprised that the forests are disappearing and the climate is changing, and soon the only exotic animals will be in zoos?

Give it another 50 years or so. If there is no gamechanger of the magnitude of fire, the wheel or the integrated circuit between now and then, the place will probably make today's Earth look like Eden.