Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) USA history is rife with examples of USA policies of genocidal extermination policies against Native American populations. This thread is a place to collect those examples. The following describes the commonplace practice of how the USA attempts to make hallowed saints out of their most vicious government leaders. Murder State: California's Native American Genocide 1846 to 1873 ... Judge Serranus C. Hastings was an important man in 1859, when he wrote his indignant cry for aid to the governor of California, John B. Weller. Indeed Hastings and many others used the democratic process and the structures of republican government to call for and execute a massive genocide of Indians during the second half of the nineteenth century. Hastings and his fellows committed, directly and indirectly, some of the foulest depredations that men have commit- ted against their fellow men in human history, and they did so openly and under the color of authority, legally, and in the name of freedom and democracy, with the countenance of the silent majority of the non- Indigenous population acting as interested but apathetic bystanders. ... http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/Supplements/excerpts/Spring%2012/9780803224803_excerpt.pdf Edited May 21, 2015 by Je suis Omar
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Much better "collections" are available from the Americans themselves. Much more efficient than wannabes using America's Google one at a time. http://endgenocide.org/learn/past-genocides/native-americans/ Economics trumps Virtue.
Freddy Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) They had something we wanted. land Unfortunately for them we had superior firepower. Investing money into a good strong military could save you from being exterminated. If the only thing keeping you from being exterminated, is someone else's moral compass. Then you are at their mercy. You have no one other then yourself to blame when you here the cavalry charge Edited May 21, 2015 by Freddy
Argus Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 The US are nothing compared to how the colonizing Muslims exterminated the Christian populations of the middle east. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Posted May 22, 2015 The US are nothing compared to how the colonizing Muslims exterminated the Christian populations of the middle east. Y'all have come a long way. From denying that the USA is responsible for myriad war crimes and terrorist activities, you now acknowledge them and, shockingly, applaud them. I'm afraid that your say so isn't enough, Argus, so for the umpteenth time, a cite please.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 The US are nothing compared to how the colonizing Muslims exterminated the Christian populations of the middle east. Yep. I for one am very happy our American Friends have a good military. I'd hate to live in fear that anyone could just walk into Canadian territory and do as he wishes.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Y'all have come a long way. From denying that the USA is responsible for myriad war crimes and terrorist activities, you now acknowledge them and, shockingly, applaud them. I'm afraid that your say so isn't enough, Argus, so for the umpteenth time, a cite please. Every society has committed atrocities. Many of them. They are part of Nature. The Canadian government has. Who cares. Learn from those dark moments. Defending ourselves is necessary.
Je suis Omar Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Posted May 22, 2015 Every society has committed atrocities. Many of them. They are part of Nature. The Canadian government has. Who cares. Learn from those dark moments. Defending ourselves is necessary. Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us.
Shady Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Y'all have come a long way. From denying that the USA is responsible for myriad war crimes and terrorist activities, you now acknowledge them and, shockingly, applaud them. I'm afraid that your say so isn't enough, Argus, so for the umpteenth time, a cite please. Bataan death march. Armenian genocide. The holocaust. The Spanish Inquisition. The Soviet induced starvation of Ukraine in 1932. Etc. Etc. Etc. Get in line Omar.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us. All this free health care. It's atrocious. Last time I had to listen to a mean Canadian joke. I told them I'd go visit the doctor to have my feelings checked. Edited May 22, 2015 by Freddy
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Everything is a "genocide" now....along with "war crimes" and "apartheid". It is the new drama speech...for the Internet Age. Economics trumps Virtue.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Everything is a "genocide" now....along with "war crimes" and "apartheid". It is the new drama speech...for the Internet Age.I, for one am proud that we ain't little wimps. I'm glade we bomb the crap out of others. It's perfectly acceptable to me. We are the boss of this world. Got to keep all those weaker humans in check.It's not like they have it that bad. Imagine, It could have been worse. Instead of being Muslims they could have been born chickens in a slaughter house. Mass genocide of chickens is perfectly acceptable too. Edited May 22, 2015 by Freddy
Je suis Omar Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Bataan death march. Omar: The Japanese were held accountable. The commanding officer was executed. ----------------- Armenian genocide. Omar: read the following account: "The accounts of the atrocities committed against the Armenians is as brutal and disgusting as any you have heard about from Hitlers attempts to exterminate the Jews from Germany and the world. Small children and old people were marched over mountains and in circles, without food and water, literally until they died. Young Christian girls were defiled by the Turkish soldiers. There are reports that many killed themselves after being raped. The barbaric treatment of the Armenian women went even further. ... No American president has officially called the mass killings that started in 1915 genocide. President Bush went as far as publicly urging Congress to reject a resolution on the subject. In 2008, presidential candidate Barack Obama promised that, as president, he would acknowledge it, saying; Armenian genocide is a widely documented fact. Despite that very clear language, President Obama was not been so quick to follow up on his campaign promise. After he was elected, on Armenian Remembrance Day, the president issued a statement. The word that was conspicuously absent from the release genocide. That term was also absent from every single April 24th Armenian Remembrance Day since 2009." https://mediachecker.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-armenian-genocide/ ---------------- The holocaust. Omar: the Germans were held accountable at Nuremberg. By the Americans. People were executed for their crimes. Germans were hunted for decades after, found, deported or illegally seized. No Americans have ever been held truly accountable for their centuries long vicious war crimes, for their unrelenting terrorist actions. --------------------- The Soviet induced starvation of Ukraine in 1932. Omar: we know that the Russians under Stalin are part a group of the supremely evil, Shady. It's fitting that you lump the Americans in with that group. Edited May 22, 2015 by Je suis Omar
poochy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 The concept of a thread that opens by referring to acts that took place more than a century ago is...., idk, pick a word. We do know these things happened, but your goal is just to bash the usa, these threads add nothing to this forum.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 The concept of a thread that opens by referring to acts that took place more than a century ago is...., idk, pick a word. We do know these things happened, but your goal is just to bash the usa, these threads add nothing to this forum.. It's still entertaining watching him look like a idiot.
eyeball Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 They had something we wanted. land Unfortunately for them we had superior firepower. Superior firepower like morality are just things, it's what people do with them that counts. Unfortunately for indigenous people they were faced with people who didn't make morality count for anything. They knew better, they had Christianity to guide them but they ignored it. Investing money into a good strong military could save you from being exterminated. If the only thing keeping you from being exterminated, is someone else's moral compass. Then you are at their mercy. You have no one other then yourself to blame when you here the cavalry charge Too bad indigenous peoples couldn't invest in good lawyers back in the day. It's ironic that today the survivors of attempted genocide now use the same legal system and moral compass of their would-be exterminaters to seek redress. Who takes the blame when the cavalry cocks things up? A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Je suis Omar Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Posted May 22, 2015 ... . Freddy, if you wouldn't mind. Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us.
eyeball Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Deleted. Edited May 22, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Freddy, if you wouldn't mind. Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us. Huh ? Doesn't Google work for Canadian "atrocities" ? Oh that's right...only works for American atrocities !! Economics trumps Virtue.
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Superior firepower like morality are just things, it's what people do with them that counts. Unfortunately for indigenous people they were faced with people who didn't make morality count for anything. They knew better, they had Christianity to guide them but they ignored it. Too bad indigenous peoples couldn't invest in good lawyers back in the day. It's ironic that today the survivors of attempted genocide now use the same legal system and moral compass of their would-be exterminaters to seek redress. Who takes the blame when the cavalry cocks things up? First off. If its been thousands of years we have religion and we have yet to become nice. It maybe time we admit that it's a lost cause. Plain and simply. humans aren't nice . We are mean evil creatures. In the wild I bet we would be ever more nasty then a polar bear. I'm done trying to fool myself. Humans are not nice. They never will be nice. Anyone who believes humans will ever be nice is naïve. If it was meant to be it would have happened already.
kimmy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 I believe the Residential Schools have been termed an atrocity. It's pretty inane to suggest that the United States is in any way unique among nations in having blood on its hands. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Freddy, if you wouldn't mind. Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us. We bombed the crap out of Kadafi & Libya.kadafi wanted to stop trading with our petro dollar . That's a big no no Edited May 22, 2015 by Freddy
Je suis Omar Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) I believe the Residential Schools have been termed an atrocity. It's pretty inane to suggest that the United States is in any way unique among nations in having blood on its hands. -k I'm sure the Residential Schools have been described as many things, Kimmy, even in glowing terms but they were clearly a program of genocide. It's inane to describe events that are equal to the Holocaust in nature, if not in size, as having blood on one's hands. Where have you been all this time as person after person denied USA war crimes and terrorism? Edited May 22, 2015 by Je suis Omar
Freddy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Where have you been all this time as person after person denied USA war crimes and terrorism?No one likes to admit he is not perfect.Personally I embrace my imperfections. Billions of years of evolution can't be wrong. There is a good reason why we aren't so nice. I trust Mother Nature knows best. We were born to bring the pain. Edited May 22, 2015 by Freddy
jacee Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Every society has committed atrocities. Many of them. They are part of Nature. The Canadian government has. Who cares. Learn from those dark moments. If nobody "cares" ... who is going to learn from those dark moments?And it involves learning the facts ... and caring. And going forward. Genocide in the Americas is all about the land. That's the issue going forward. .
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